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Israels Security Fence /Israels sikkerhedshegn


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Written on: 05.07.2012 10:42
yvette espersen
Posts: 2
Regarding the copy made by Danish Church Aid of Israel's security fence at Roskilde festival, I will just like to say that I think it is disgusting that Danish Church Aid, the newspaper Politiken and various other media have now somehow agreed that the fence should now be called a "separation barrier"! (see the press release link below which many media have just "copied into their newspapers). All background material about why the fence was originally actually built for at the time - namely, to keep suicide bombers and terrorists out of Israel - are now conveniently just swept aside... now Roskilde Festival and Danish Church Aid just want to create the notion that Israelis are some evil people who want to disassociate themselves from the Palestinians and thus apartheid! THIS IS FALSIFYING HISTORY AND DISGUSTING!

Apropos opstilling af Folkekirkens Nødhjælps kopi af Israels sikkerhedshegn på Roskilde festival vil jeg bare sige at jeg mener at det er ulækkert at FKN, Politiken og diverse andre medier er blevet enig om at sikkerhedshegnet skal nu kaldes "separationsbarriere"! (se Festivalens pressemeddelelse nedenfor som mange medier har bare "kopiet" til deres medier.) Alt baggrunds stof om hvad hegnet var oprindelig bygget for i sin tid - nemlig for at holde selvmordsbomber og terrorister ud af Israel - er nu bekvemt glemt... nu skal der bare skabes forestillingen om at Israelere er nogle onde mennesker, der vil adskille sig selv fra palæstinensere og dermed apartheid! DET ER HISTORIE FORFALSKNING OG ULÆKKERT!

http://roskilde-festival.dk/nyhedsbreve_presse_dk/den_israelske_mur_opfoeres_paa_roskilde_festival/#c31343
Written on: 05.07.2012 11:02
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Posts: 2491
yvette espersen wrote:

Regarding the copy made by Danish Church Aid of Israel's security fence at Roskilde festival, I will just like to say that I think it is disgusting that Danish Church Aid, the newspaper Politiken and various other media have now somehow agreed that the fence should now be called a "separation barrier"! (see the press release link below which many media have just "copied into their newspapers). All background material about why the fence was originally actually built for at the time - namely, to keep suicide bombers and terrorists out of Israel - are now conveniently just swept aside... now Roskilde Festival and Danish Church Aid just want to create the notion that Israelis are some evil people who want to disassociate themselves from the Palestinians and thus apartheid! THIS IS FALSIFYING HISTORY AND DISGUSTING!

Apropos opstilling af Folkekirkens Nødhjælps kopi af Israels sikkerhedshegn på Roskilde festival vil jeg bare sige at jeg mener at det er ulækkert at FKN, Politiken og diverse andre medier er blevet enig om at sikkerhedshegnet skal nu kaldes "separationsbarriere"! (se Festivalens pressemeddelelse nedenfor som mange medier har bare "kopiet" til deres medier.) Alt baggrunds stof om hvad hegnet var oprindelig bygget for i sin tid - nemlig for at holde selvmordsbomber og terrorister ud af Israel - er nu bekvemt glemt... nu skal der bare skabes forestillingen om at Israelere er nogle onde mennesker, der vil adskille sig selv fra palæstinensere og dermed apartheid! DET ER HISTORIE FORFALSKNING OG ULÆKKERT!

http://roskilde-festival.dk/nyhedsbreve_presse_dk/den_israelske_mur_opfoeres_paa_roskilde_festival/#c31343


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Written on: 05.07.2012 13:05
AC.Raben
Posts: 2
The barrier regarding the copy made by Danish Church Aid of Israel's security fence at Roskilde festival, is evident.
It distorts the tragic circumstances it came to be.Death is death, and human life is saved.That's what's really at stake here; even the life of a suicide bomber get's a second chance. And that's a fact! So Henrik S. Next time you focus on numbers and fact's you might want to take into consideration the message you really are sending out - it's choking and loathsome so see such a moral discourse. The true barrier are now being defined by The Folkekirkens Noedhjealp's Wall.

"In the last year before the Government of Israel decided to build the security fence (april 2001 - March 2002) was alone in the four Israeli towns of Netanya, Hadera, Haifa and Afula 19 bombing and shooting attacks. A large number of Israelis killed or maimed in these attacks. In the first year after completion of the northern part of the fence (July 2003 - June 2004) there were in these four cities together one terrorist attack.

That kind of talk is not public wall information:

The examples are taken from the information that emergency aid has published in print in at least two different contexts.

"The Wall" at the Roskilde Festival is part of a well thought out information campaign against the Israeli security fence. A campaign where relief to ensure that the message takes hold, making a series of small "adjustments":

# "Armistice Line" becomes "internationally recognized borders."

# They surrounded parts of the West Bank are revalued at the correct 17 per cent. to "over half".

# A map of the fence's course is forged.

# Information on the fence rescue of human life is not a part of the information. And therefor not understood to be important"

Self reflection is in order and for all human beings an constant process.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4250908,00.html
Written on: 05.07.2012 13:38
AC.Raben
Posts: 2
An artikel In Danish - To Henrik S:

Kronik: Usmagelig menu fra Folkekirkens Nødhjælp

For Folkekirkens Nødhjælp er ofrene i Mellemøsten palæstinensiske. Og kun palæstinensiske. Derfor bliver nødhjælpens oplysningsarbejde så fordrejet. Følelsen af at stå på den svages side giver organisationens medarbejdere et stærkt engagement. Men det udruster dem samtidig med enorme skyklapper, skriver kronikøren.

Af Ole Andersen, cand.theol., sekretær i "Ordet og Israel" (juli 2004)

For Folkekirkens Nødhjælp er ofrene i Mellemøsten palæstinensiske. Og kun palæstinensiske. Derfor bliver nødhjælpens oplysningsarbejde så fordrejet. Følelsen af at stå på den svages side giver organisationens medarbejdere et stærkt engagement. Men det udruster dem samtidig med enorme skyklapper, skriver kronikøren.

Oplysning er godt. Propaganda er noget skidt! Et af sommerens mest diskuterede spørgsmål er, hvad Folkekirkens Nødhjælp leverer, når de informerer om Israel og palæstinenserne. Var det oplysning eller propaganda, der blev serveret over cafébordene i skyggen af Nødhjælpens mur på Roskilde Festivalen?

Nødhjælpens informationschef Thomas Ravn-Pedersen er ikke i tvivl. Menukortet på caféen bød ifølge ham på både de israelske argumenter, de palæstinensiske argumenter og FN's resolutioner. Eller som han sammenfatter det: »Kort og godt facts«. Når de unge så har fortæret caféens objektive informationer, kan de selv tage stilling.

Andre er mere skeptiske. En lind strøm af avisledere og læserbreve har beskyldt nødhjælpen for at politisere og for at være ensidigt vendt imod Israel. Men konkrete eksempler har der ikke været mange af. Desværre. For uden dem bliver debatten let til en agurketidsudgave af børnehavesandkassens »Du er dum« og »Det kan du selv være!«.

Der er altså god grund til at se lidt nærmere på nogle af de retter, nødhjælpen serverer. Resultatet af sådan en prøvesmagning er ganske spændende. Og giver oven i købet et perspektiv, der rækker betydeligt længere end til sandkassen.

Den første bid fra nødhjælpens menu om det israelske sikkerhedshegn kommer her: »Barrieren følger ikke den internationalt anerkendte grænse mellem Israel og Vestbredden men opføres inde på Vestbreddens område«. Citatet er hentet fra juli-udgaven af Nødhjælpens blad NØD. Præcis det samme står i et lille informationshæfte om sikkerhedshegnet, som Nødhjælpen udgav i december 2003.

Problemet er bare, at der ikke findes nogen internationalt anerkendt grænse mellem Israel og Vestbredden. Der findes derimod en våbenstilstandslinie, den såkaldte "grønne linie". Den blev fastlagt i en aftale mellem Jordan og Israel indgået på Rhodos den 3. april 1949 - efter at de arabiske lande forgæves havde forsøgt at udslette den nyoprettede stat Israel.

Aftalens tekst understreger flere gange, at der ikke er tale om nogen endelig grænse, men en midlertidig, militær foranstaltning for at hindre krigshandlinger. Alligevel kaldes den grønne linie i informationen fra Folkekirkens Nødhjælp for »den internationalt anerkendte grænse«.

Forskellen er ikke uden betydning, hverken i folkeretten eller i folkemunde. At bryde en internationalt anerkendt grænse er i de fleste menneskers øjne betydeligt værre end at overtræde en gammel våbenstilstandslinie, der allerede blev brudt, da Jordan i juni 1967 gik til angreb på Israel.

Den anden prøve fra nødhjælpens informationsmateriale om hegnet lyder sådan: »Hvis alt går som planlagt, vil Vestbreddens palæstinensiske befolkning være isoleret i en række indhegnede reservater, og Israel vil have annekteret mere end halvdelen af Vestbreddens samlede areal«.

Også dette citat er fra juliudgaven af NØD. Informationshæftet siger præcis det samme. Ifølge nødhjælpen bliver resultatet af sikkerhedshegnet altså, at Israel annekterer over halvdelen af Vestbredden.

Men nødhjælpens tal er forkert. Hvis Israel opfører hegnet efter den linieføring, der netop nu er godkendt, bliver resultatet, at 16,6 pct. af Vestbredden kommer til at ligge på den israelske side af hegnet. Det tal stammer fra kendelsen, som Den Internationale Domstol i Haag afsagde 9/7.

Også menneskerettighedsorganisationen B'Tselem, som Nødhjælpen samarbejder med, har regnet på tallet. B'Tselem medregner tre områder:

a) jord eksproprieret til opførelsen af selve hegnet,

b) landområder mellem den grønne linie og hegnet tillige med omhegnede enklaver og

c) Østjerusalem.

I alt omfatter disse områder ifølge B'Tselem 16,8 pct. af Vestbreddens areal. Der er altså tale om knapt 17 pct. af Vestbredden.

Ikke »over halvdelen«, som nødhjælpen påstår.

Den tredje smagsprøve fra Nødhjælpens informationsmenu er et kort over sikkerhedshegnets forløb. Kortet er gengivet i juliudgaven af NØD. Et lignende kort er trykt i hæftet fra december 2003.

Kortet er chokerende. Det er nemlig stort set forkert fra ende til anden. Lad mig nøjes med tre eksempler:

# 1) Ifølge Nødhjælpens kort løber hegnet overalt et godt stykke inde på Vestbredden. Ikke ét sted, følger hegnet den grønne linie. Det er forkert. B'Tselem har lagt et detaljeret og præcist kort ud på internettet. Det viser, at hegnet langs hele nordenden af Vestbredden (fra Umm el-Fahm til Jordanfloden) med meget små undtagelser løber langs den grønne linie.

Endnu grellere bliver billedet, når man sammenligner Nødhjælpens kort fra juli i år med kortet i hæftet fra december sidste år. I løbet af dette halve år har Israel besluttet at flytte nogle mindre sektioner af hegnet nærmere den grønne linie. Mest markant ved den palæstinensiske by Baqa e-Sharqiya. Her er otte km af hegnet øst for byen revet ned og flyttet om vest for byen langs den grønne linie.

På nødhjælpens kort er hegnet også flyttet. Men mod øst! Mens Israel altså i virkeligheden har rykket hegnet en smule nærmere den grønne linie, reviderer Nødhjælpen sit kort, så det ser ud som hegnet ligger endnu længere inde på Vestbredden.

# 2) På Nødhjælpens kort er indtegnet et hegn langs hele Jordandalen men langt inde på Vestbredden. Ifølge kortet er denne del af hegnet »under planlægning«.

B'Tselem har ikke taget denne lange strækning med på sit kort. Med god grund! For selv om der har været rygter om, at nogle i hæren og regeringen ønsker sådan et »østhegn«, er det hverken planlagt eller godkendt. Og intet tyder på, at det nogensinde bliver det. Tværtimod. Allerede 10. marts gav Dan Tirza, der er Sharons militære rådgiver vedrørende hegnet, følgende klare besked til avisen Ha'aretz: »Staten Israel vil ikke bygge et adskillelseshegn i den østlige del af Vestbredden«.

Alligevel vælger Nødhjælpen, i modsætning til B'Tselem, at indtegne »østhegnet« på sit kort.

# 3) På Nødhjælpens kort er der overraskende nok udeladt et stykke af hegnet. Overraskende - indtil man opdager, hvorfor Nødhjælpen har udeladt netop denne del af hegnet!

Der er tale om hegnet langs den grønne linie tværs over den nordlige ende af Jordandalen (fra El Mughayir til Jordanfloden). Opførelsen af denne sektion af hegnet begyndte ifølge Den Internationale Domstol i begyndelsen af januar 2004. Det er selvfølgelig tegnet ind på B'Tselems kort. Men ikke på Nødhjælpens. Hvorfor ikke?

Fordi nødhjælpen med vold og magt vil give danskerne indtryk af, at Israel vil bruge hegnet til at annektere Jordandalen. Det er derfor »forstyrrende« for Nødhjælpens argumentation, at Israel bygger en sektion af hegnet, der adskiller Jordandalen fra Israel. Nødhjælpen løser problemet ved simpelthen at undlade at indtegne denne »forstyrrende« del af hegnet på sit kort.

Det fjerde eksempel fra nødhjælpens menukort er en tom linie. En manglende oplysning. Jeg har i hvert fald ikke kunnet finde den, hverken i NØD eller i hæftet om hegnet. Den forsvundne oplysning er, at hegnet har reddet uskyldige israeleres liv.

I det sidste år inden Israels regering besluttede at opføre sikkerhedshegnet (april 2001 - marts 2002) var der alene i de fire israelske byer Netanya, Hadera, Haifa og Afula 19 bombe- og skudangreb. Et stort antal israelere blev dræbt eller lemlæstet i disse angreb. I det første år efter færdiggørelsen af den nordlige del af hegnet (juli 2003 - juni 2004) var der i disse fire byer tilsammen ét terrorangreb.

Den slags tal står ikke på informationsmenuen hos nødhjælpen.

Alle, der udtaler sig offentligt, laver fejl. I farten fortaler man sig eller husker forkert. Den slags skal Nødhjælpen ikke høre ét ondt ord for. Men det er ikke det, der er tale om her. Eksemplerne er taget fra oplysninger, som Nødhjælpen har udgivet på tryk i mindst to forskellige sammenhænge.

"Muren" på Roskilde Festivalen er et led i en gennemtænkt informationskampagne mod det israelske sikkerhedshegn. En kampagne, hvor nødhjælpen for at sikre sig, at budskabet slår igennem, foretager en række små "justeringer":

# "Våbenstilstandslinie" bliver til "internationalt anerkendt grænse".

# De omringede dele af Vestbredden bliver opskrevet fra de korrekte 17 pct. til "over halvdelen".

# Et kort over hegnets forløb bliver forfalsket.

# Oplysninger om hegnets redning af menneskeliv bliver fortiet.

Jeg er ikke enig med de kritikere, der siger, at en nødhjælpsorganisation skal holde sig til at sende tæpper og mad. Nødhjælpens kombination af nødhjælp, udviklingsarbejde og information er helt fin. Det gale er ikke, at nødhjælpen informerer. Det gale er, at nødhjælpen informerer forkert og filtreret. For mange oplysninger er forkerte. Og kendsgerninger, der kunne nuancere det negative billede af Israel, bliver siet fra.

Jeg er imod dele af hegnets forløb. Godt, at Israels Højesteret nu tvinger regeringen til at flytte hegnet nærmere den grønne linie, så de ødelæggende konsekvenser for palæstinenserne bliver formindsket. Men indtil Det Palæstinensiske Selvstyre sætter en stopper for terrorbølgen, er der et uhyggeligt dilemma. Enten bygges det hegn. Eller også slås der uskyldige mennesker ihjel.

I modsætning til nødhjælpen mener jeg, at det er værre, at der bliver slået uskyldige israelere ihjel, end at uskyldige palæstinensere bliver hindret i at få adgang til deres marker.

Men generne for palæstinenserne skal lindres mest muligt. Det har den israelske regering ikke gjort. Derfor er det godt, at Israels demokratiske system har vist sig at fungere, og at Højesteret nu hjælper regeringen med at begrænse skaderne for palæstinenserne.

Men det retfærdiggør ikke fejlene i nødhjælpens informationer.

For nødhjælpen er ofrene palæstinensiske. Og kun palæstinensiske.

Derfor bliver Nødhjælpens oplysningsarbejde så fordrejet. Følelsen af at stå på den svages side giver organisationens medarbejdere et stærkt engagement. Men det udruster dem samtidig med enorme skyklapper. De argumenter, der taler Israels sag, bliver slet ikke set. Følelsen af hellig harme på palæstinensernes vegne danner et panser mod nuancerede synspunkter og forståelse for israelernes situation.

Det i sig selv gode mål - at hjælpe de palæstinensiske ofre - helliger i Nødhjælpens øjne midlet. De ofrer gerne sandheden og præcisionen, hvis det giver deres informationskampagne slagkraft.

Det er her, perspektivet vokser ud over mudderkastningen i sandkassen. Hvad kan en humanitær organisation tillade sig? Er det legitimt at overdrive for at fremme forståelsen - og indsamlingsresultatet? Helliger det ophøjede mål virkelig udgivelsen af et fortegnet kort?

I mine øjne er der noget helt galt. Når man smager på det, Folkekirkens Nødhjælp serverer - på caféen på Roskilde Festivalen og generelt for den danske befolkning - smager det virkelig af propaganda.

Og det er ret usmageligt.


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Written on: 05.07.2012 14:13
Micha Kurz
Posts: 3
Dear Yvette Espersen,
First off on this important discussion, I would like to thank for your concern about the well being of the residents of the holy land whether they be Palestinian or Israeli. My name is Micha, I grew up in Jerusalem in a school named for the brave Danes who helped to save Jews during WW2, the Denmark high school. I learned a lot about the Danish reverence to Human Rights.
Growing up in Jerusalem, like most Israelis I spent over 3 years in the Israeli Defense Forces in a combat unit, during the period of time you referred to, between 2001 and 2004. I remember the terrorist attacks all to well. There is no way to justify such gruesome violent attacks.

However, it is important to understand, and I use this opportunity to invite you for a visit and to witness yourself, that the Separation Barrier does not separate Palestinians from Israelis. In fact the vast majority of the wall and fencing and barbed wire and military presence is not built on the Green, 1948 Armistice line, it is built ON Palestinian lands through and through Palestinian communities. More than anything, it separates Palestinian from one another, farmers from their lands, students from their universities, and families from each other. Since the Wall was built around Jerusalem, over 5000 Palestinian business have closed down as a result of the suburbs being cut off from the center of town, the capital of the Palestinian people according to any Peace negotiation you wish to reference. Indeed it is not security but separation that this wall causes while it is connected to a network of segregated roads and checkpoints restricting and limiting any normal daily life to for Palestinians. The Israeli Ministries of Defense reports yearly about 10,000 to 40,000 illegal workers desperate enough to risk prison sentences, cross the barrier without permits to find cheap labor jobs, without permits, away from their families... The wall is still incomplete and I myself have taken the long walk from the West Bank into Israeli West Jerusalem without a permit.

The Walls and fences and barbed wires separates what is left of the Palestinian land to 3 cantons, allowing for the expansion of Illegal Israeli settlements, it enables Israel companies control of the Palestinian water resources, it guaranties Israel full control of any future Palestinian state it’s international borders, while eliminating any territorial continuity, all the while causing unnecessary suffering and blatant human rights violations across the West Bank and Jerusalem. Not to mention that according to the international court of Justice is illegal exactly because it is built the way it is.

Please understand, this wall at the festival is to remind Danes about their obligation to respect human rights and international humanitarian law. I am concerned about Danish companies who make profit of the occupation and human rights violations, and I feel you could channel your concern in better ways, by understanding the realities of our daily life better, and advocate to change Israeli separation policies! I thank you in advance for your support to end the Israeli Occupation and settlement expansion on Palestinian Lands.

Yours truly-
Micha
Written on: 06.07.2012 09:56
yvette espersen
Posts: 2
Dear Micha Kurz

I hope you enjoy Roskilde Festival - a tribute to music and fun - a wonderful tradition in Denmark which to my dismay is becoming a political organization swaying our youth as to what to think and feel.

I also have family in Israel, I have visited Israel many times... I hope with all my heart that there is a solution for the West Bank and Gaza - so my family can live in peace with its neighbors. The many wonderful projects and cooperations between jews and arabs in the region are conveniently left out of the press - and we are left with the impression of Israel being the aggressor. Recently, the hundreds of rockets sent into the southern part of Israel from Gaza, hardly received a mention in the Danish press. When Israel defended itself by destroying a launching site, we saw the headlines "Israel Bombs Gaza"! Hardly a mention of why.

It would have been a more powerful demonstration at Roskilde Festival if there had been a challenge towards the Palestinian Authority, which receives many millions of dollars from EU, USA, Israel and other countries, of their continued hate to Israel, blatantly demonstrated by the official PA newspapers, TV, children's TV, at rallies, in speeches etc etc.

Micha - you write "Please understand, this wall at the festival is to remind Danes about their obligation to respect human rights and international humanitarian law." I ask you, does this include the human rights of the people of Israel too? If this security fence is removed - which I assume is your hope - will you take responsibility for renewed terrorist attacks in Israel? Are you confident, with the hate that is so blatant in the region towards Israel that these attacks will not recommence as soon as the security fence i down? The fence would not be there, if it were not for this hate. Perhaps it would be more pertinent to suggest that next year at Roskilde a demonstration could be made towards the Palestinian Authority, to stop their hate campaigns and to start teaching their children peace.

Here are a few misconceptions and lies surrounding Israel's anti-terrorist security fence.

There are many lies told about Israel’s security fence. Israel’s critics portray the entire structure as a massive, towering cement wall (as is shown at Roskilde), as a naked attempt for Israel to grab land from the palestinians, and as a mechanism to enforce an “apartheid” system.

TRUTH: The construction of the anti-terrorist security fence is vital to Israel’s security. Conceived as a temporary defensive measure in the war against Palestinian terrorism, its only purpose is to save Israeli lives. Between 30 September 2000 and February 2004, more than 920 Israelis have died in Palestinian terror attacks, and more than 6,134 have been wounded, many of whom have sustained life-long injuries.

TRUTH: Palestinians are themselves responsible for Israel’s fence. Despite repeated Palestinian promises to the contrary—promises initially made almost 20 years in the 1993 Oslo Accords and then more recently re-iterated in the acceptance of the Road Map peace plan — terror groups continue to receive direct encouragement and support from the Palestinian Authority where terrorists and suicide bombers are regarded as heros and worshiped in schools and on the official Palestinian TV.

TRUTH: Despite the media’s widespread graphic depiction of the fence as a “tall concrete wall”, less than 3% is actually constructed of concrete — and only with the intended purpose of preventing terrorists from shooting at Israeli vehicles traveling on main highways alongside the pre-June 1967 line. The remaining 97% of the 720 km. (480 mile) security fence, which has an approximate width of a four-lane highway, consists of a technologically-advanced chain-link fence system, designed to warn against infiltrations.

TRUTH: Despite Palestinian claims of “apartheid”, the security fence has nothing to do with racial separation - (there are 1.4 million arabs living peacefully in Israel). It has everything to do with preventing acts of terrorism. Israel does not wish to rule over the Palestinian people, and has demonstrated again and again its willingness to negotiate, so long as it has a “partner” fully committed to dismantling terrorist networks, ceasing its hatred of and incitement against Israel, enacting a constitution, reforming its political system, and making a 100% effort to halt terrorism. It looks doubtful that we shall see this happening.

I wish with all my heart, as the new generations grow in the region, that the PA will begin to look forward to a region of friendship and peace. When this happens - there will be hope for the region in the future.
Kind regards and again - enjoy the Festival.
Yvette
Written on: 06.07.2012 10:22
Henrik Howardsen
Posts: 1
"Between 30 September 2000 and February 2004, more than 920 Israelis have died in Palestinian terror attacks, and more than 6,134 have been wounded, many of whom have sustained life-long injuries."
That kind of info is left out deliberately to influence public opinion against Israel!
Thanks for the enlightenment Yvetteicon_smile.gif


Written on: 06.07.2012 14:50
Micha Kurz
Posts: 3
Yvette,
Thanks for your response. You bring up some very serious points.
I have friends and family down south outside of Gaza, as well. The rockets shot at random out of Gaza are a terrible reality to live with.

However my concern is not limited to one ethnicity. I am concerned with the wellbeing of Gazan friends too who have been living under an Israeli military blockade for the last 6 years, and over the past years have suffered a ratio of 100 casualties to every Israeli casualty. Israel does an excellent job at limiting any development, leaving the people of Gaza to their poverty and to be run by Hamas.

On one of your visits to Jerusalem, have you gone out of your way to visit and witness the wall? Did you notice it is not built anywhere near any Israeli neighbourhoods? The Wall in fact keeps the neighbourhoods where many violent attacks came from INSIDE the wall. In Jerusalem an 8 meter high wall is built through Palestinian neighbourhoods, successfully separating the economic, social political and religious centre of the Palestinian capital from its suburbs and the rest of the West Bank. Can you imagine how such a wall would devastate the Copenhagen economy and livelihoods of its residents?

Since the wall was built, over 5000 businesses have closed in the Palestinian capital, while all political institutions were violently expelled. With help from the Israeli government and municipality, Israeli settlers and private security guards have established a violent presence in almost every Palestinian neighbourhood in town. These are facts on the ground that guarantees East Jerusalem could never function as a future Palestinian capital. Hundreds of thousands Palestinian Jerusalemites live under Israeli occupation on a "temporary residency status" and for decades have no right to vote! Municipal policies have made it all but impossible for families to stay through neglect of infustructure, sewage drainage, and waste management...

I as an Israeli in Jerusalem live in a modern city with all the malls and luxury the western world has to offer, while East Jerusalem resembles a third world country violating human and civil rights systemically. This is caused as a result of Israeli policies and the construction of the separation wall.

In addition, if you follow the route of the wall or fence you will notice that over 80% of it is not built on the Green line you mention, it is built through Palestinian farming lands, cities and villages. I recommend you visit the quiet farming village of Walajeh, a village that had been displaced once before in 1948, has never shown any sign of violence but yet has an 8meter high wall under construction AROUND the whole village- 360 degrees. The wall has devastated the economy and livelihoods and will basically create a new ghetto just outside of Jerusalem. Qalqiliya has a similar wall built AROUND it, bringing the unemployment rate to 80%.

Israel has left over 100,000 Israelis scattered in settlements across the West Bank, east of the Wall. I fail to see how the Wall or Fence keeps them secure. They too are facts on the grund, stratiegicaly placed so that no two State Peace aggreement will ever be achieved.

You mention the Palestinian education system that teaches hatred. I can’t help but think that if you had spent one morning walking through the Qalandia Checkpoint north of Jerusalem as thousands line up for every day at 4am to get to school or to work or to the hospital, you would have a much better understanding at what really causes frustration and hate. I was brought up knowing I would serve my country in the army when I was 18 as will any other Israeli at that age. I grew up in an Israeli school that barely mentions the existence of Palestinians in its textbooks, using maps that don’t include the green line or many Palestinian cities. When mentioned in textbooks Palestinians are referred to as blood thirsty Arab enemies. This all contributes to a national narrative of victimhood. It wasn’t until after my army service that I visited Palestinian cities of Bethlehem and Ramallah and met my Palestinian counter parts who work non-violently against Israeli oppression. It was in Palestine where I found my first non-violent communication centre.

Many “truths” are quoted about the Separation Barrier. It is my experience as a former IDF soldier that the wall has very little to do with security, and indeed I wish it would fall. But the barrier does not stand alone, it is part of a system, a matrix of control, occupation, and oppression. I look forward to that system ending, not just the wall to fall.

I take the opportunity to applaud the Festival organizers and DCA for recognizing that this is not a political issue, but a man made humanitarian crises, which needs people around the world to wake up to and demand a just political solution.
Yours
Micha
Written on: 08.07.2012 11:30
Micha Kurz
Posts: 3
Tis the last day of the Festival, and I must say it has been a wonderful pleasure to meet so many supportive Danes. We have a lot to learn from the Danish back home where we come from. Besides all being beautiful and knowing how to party well, you do it without a drop of aggression or anger. I managed to navigate pleasantly through the coordinated anarchy of the festival and could not help but notice how smooth life is here and without any need for police, army and guns... even your checkpoints to see if I'm wearing the right bracelet come with a smile. What a treat!!

The folks from the NU Youth group we have been working with have been wonderful, and have met many folks at our WALL. The curious crowds have asked many good, honest questions, trying to understand better "what is really going on with that Occupation?!" and... "do they really think A WALL is going to solve things"? and... Where can I get involved?

We came as a group of active people in Jerusalem to raise awareness to the Human Rights violations caused by the Separation Wall in Jerusalem and in Occupied Palestinian Territories. To help Danes understand that the wall is part of a larger system of oppression, and that it doesn't have as much to do with security as many Israeli officials and supporters will have you believe. It is important to us (the activists that came together from Jerusalem) that Danes also understand your connection to these policies, and how Danish companies profit off the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands by guarding Israeli prisons in the Occupied Palestinian territories, or providing systems for Israeli prisons for Palestinian prisoners within Israel... (a violation of the 4th Geneva convention). We do hope you find a way to hold Danish companies accountable to the human rights violations they are involved with. We need your help with that!

Yvette, I'm sorry we didn't get a chance to meet this visit. Perhaps next time I am here, or better yet- next time you are in Jerusalem? We can have ourselves a good debate over a cup of coffee. I hope you understand, I am not an Israel hater... I love where I live, and the people who live there... I love Jerusalem very much. I am very concerned about the oppressive systems taking place in the city I grew up and live in today. It is my responsibility to step up and raise my voice. It feels to me that Israel supporters around the world are not doing Israel any favors by turning a blind eye to its Human Rights violations, endless settelment expanssion, and the overall occupation. What you see on mainstream Israeli and Western media does not do justice to the harsh realities and systemic Human Rights violations. The situation in Jerusalem is just getting worse. Aggressive settlements are expanding in almost every Palestinian neighborhood, and the Wall has almost completely devastated the Palestinian communities. Please come and take a closer look at Jerusalem. I would be happy to show you myself.
Maybe then, we can shift our debate from a vague political level to one that is connected to everyday life- challenges, hardships, successes and all. This is the one where you will see the wall from a ground level, where most Palestinians in Jerusalem meet it. Then I hope we talk about how to build capacity for disempowered communities to speak their mind, and demand their rights. One where equality for all and a standard of human rights is upheld for everyone… I trust you agree this would be a much more interesting conversation.

I look forward to more opportunities to visit Denmark, and work with Danes. Dan Church Aid is one of the most impressive and dedicated Humanitarian organizations I have come across in our parts. it is an honor and we are very greatful to work with their staff.

It has been a fantastic pleasure to be here, thank you for having us Roskilde!! We look forward to your visit in Jerusalem, AlQuds, and to showing you our real wall (and to nocking it down!),

But until then...
Much Love you all!
Micha
Written on: 16.07.2012 13:44
DH1375
Posts: 2
The Palestinians whose lives have been adversely affected by the wall may or may not be reassured to know that it is not in fact a wall but a 'technologically-advanced chain-link fence system.'
Written on: 16.07.2012 16:12
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2491
DH1375 wrote:

The Palestinians whose lives have been adversely affected by the wall may or may not be reassured to know that it is not in fact a wall but a 'technologically-advanced chain-link fence system.'


The right wing, happy la la la Christian support group for Israel and its God sent people who can do no wrong will never admit any mistake on behalf of the Israeli treatment of Palestine.

How dare the Palestines attack Israel with rockets in retort- that is war crime at it's worst! They should attack Israel's army facilities and just get gunned down instead, the cheeky bastards!


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