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Written on: 13.04.2012 01:15
Coldblooded
Posts: 1195
Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

To all of you with your childish attack on me personally. Thanks for proving my point! Going after the person rather than the opinion.

I'll get back to you once I'm sober.

But yeah, I don't get Roskilde (this will be my 15th or 16th time or whatever, lost track) or think that the other 90% if the lineup should be names the size of Bruce Springsteen.... Ha ha ha! And you tell me I don't get it. Try reading my post. Too much to ask? That's what I thought AND said would happen. Why should I take into board the opinions of people who can't string more than two sentences together?

Laughable. I baited you and you all hooked

Did you read my post? I did read all of yours and answered in a respectful manner with a nice stack of arguments and even sets of medium-sized names from the programme to go check out according to your preferences. Not sure what you're on about.

[This article was edited 2 times, at last 13.04.2012 at 01:23.]
Written on: 13.04.2012 08:47
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2496
Stand up for rock n' roll! wrote:

the biggest problem is that people expect bands that are not touring, both here and on facebook there are a lot of posts requesting foo fighters, tenacious D, and so on.. and they are mostly either not touring or in the us at the given date.. or booked at other festivals in denmark earlier in the year.. i mean it's a shame and all.. but.. meh.. however i do agree with the statement that since the roots there havent really been any "big names"

Just my two cents..


I don't look at who is not there- I look at who is booked so far and as I've said and you have agreed with- since The Roots it has been absolute dire.

Take a look at the lineup so far mate, you will be shocked.
Written on: 13.04.2012 08:50
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2496
Bongo Anders wrote:

The last couple of years most of the pav jr names have been released on the poster day but now almost all of them are released before leaving room for the bigger stages
And i don´t mean bigger as in Beatles, Bieber or Beethoven just that we will have more Arena, Odeon and Orange names than usual.

So far when looking at the lineup i can´t find that many obvious Arena names, only Bon Iver, Friendly Fires, I Got You On tape, Kalkbrenner, Rubén Blades, Lee Ranaldo, Boubacar Traore/ Terakaft and one or more of the hip hoppers. and last year there were 19 slots at Arena so around 10 Arena names and 8 Orange names is alot in one release.




Getting this years lineup to somewhat respectable manner in the big release is going to take something extraordinary special.

(I can't for the life of me imagine Ruben Blades filling half of the Arena). His salsa music videos has something like 5000 hits on youtube- so not the major force someone likes to think.
Written on: 13.04.2012 08:52
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2496
Coldblooded wrote:

Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

To all of you with your childish attack on me personally. Thanks for proving my point! Going after the person rather than the opinion.

I'll get back to you once I'm sober.

But yeah, I don't get Roskilde (this will be my 15th or 16th time or whatever, lost track) or think that the other 90% if the lineup should be names the size of Bruce Springsteen.... Ha ha ha! And you tell me I don't get it. Try reading my post. Too much to ask? That's what I thought AND said would happen. Why should I take into board the opinions of people who can't string more than two sentences together?

Laughable. I baited you and you all hooked

Did you read my post? I did read all of yours and answered in a respectful manner with a nice stack of arguments and even sets of medium-sized names from the programme to go check out according to your preferences. Not sure what you're on about.


Must have missed it, BUT I wasn't including you in my rant as you try to argue the points rather than the person and you are able to write cohesive opinions of more than 2 sentences icon_wink.gif

(I'll look for your latest reply, must have overlooked it- was really drunk last night... he he!)
Written on: 13.04.2012 08:53
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2496
Bongo Anders wrote:

@ aleg-one
There is nothing wrong in having high expectations just as long as they are within limits of reality and as long i don´t expect all the trance DJ´s in the world to be announced then i think its a shame that anyone should point fingers at anyone because they are exited for the poster release.

I know that i probably don´t know half the names released and that only 10 % of the names will get me exited but if we can´t discuss the poster then why have a debate forum.


You will never get a reply on this question. Some people likes harmony more than passion
Written on: 13.04.2012 08:55
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2496
Aleg-One wrote:

http://blastbeast.dk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/TOODAMNHIGH.jpg


Yeah, because this years lineup is sooo strong it deserves no criticism. icon_rolleyes.gif
Written on: 13.04.2012 08:56
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2496
Ruslabox wrote:

Please, Robbie Fowler, Martin Horn and others, stop the goddamn childish fighting - you guys are supposed to be the veterans in here! I read posts from you with great appreciation for your knowledge and experience, but it aches my heart to see how two supposedly grown men can bitch like that. Just thought I'd point that out.

Anyway, Bongo Anders: NO! I totally agree with you; RF have been promoting the big line-up release a lot this year, so i think we can expect some great artists next thursday. Be they legendary stadium sized bands or smaller, more intimate acts i wouldn't know, but that day can't come soon enough!




Tell me that I don't try to argue the case rather than bicker and moan about other people's opinions.

I will give as good as I get, but I wont start anything. Not going to act like Jesus either
Written on: 13.04.2012 08:57
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2496
Kong Gulerod wrote:

Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

90% of the bands this year is totally not bands of magnitude that should be booked at one of the biggest festival in the world. Unless: They are all meant to be bottom of the list and that the big release is where all the big guns will come out.


You don't get Roskilde at all do you?

The thing with Roskilde is that the festival has always booked loads of small and unknown bands. Nothing new this year. With Pavillon, Pavillon Junior, Gloria, (Astoria) and that new electronic stage the festival has a lot of spots to fill with small unknown bands. This has been a priority for Roskilde for many years.


Roskilde is not a talent show! (at least, the Roskilde that I know, isn't )

One of the major festivals in the world reduced to this.... It's sad
Written on: 13.04.2012 09:04
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2496
Coldblooded wrote:

Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

90% of the bands this year is totally not bands of magnitude that should be booked at one of the biggest festival in the world. Unless: They are all meant to be bottom of the list and that the big release is where all the big guns will come out.

I understand why you're disappointed year after year by the Roskilde lineup. It's about expectations. The 10% you dig are the headliners and subliners. You expect the remaining 90% to be of the same magnitude, and this is where the film breaks. There are maybe 30-35 slots or so at Orange and Arena to be filled by headliners, subs and the occasional smaller band with arena rock qualities (Asian Dub Foundation, Den Sorte Skole, Flogging Molly, Shantel and Wilco are good examples of small print names who could fill the Arena tent up pretty nicely when they played there across the past decade). If your wet dream of a lineup was to come true, it would require an entirely different set of stages. Like five exact copies of the Arena tent instead of the smaller, more intimate stages that Roskilde has now and has had for donkey's years now.

Let's dig into twenty of the smaller names:

There is a plethora of great hiphop names in the programme:
A$AP Rocky, Mac Miller, Royce da 5'9", Wiz Khalifa and Yelawolf.

There is the slew of Southern rock and metal names, presented as a "theme" one day:
Baroness, Crowbar, Hank 3, Red Fang and Weedeater.

There is a pretty solid electronica handful:
Paul Kalkbrenner, Martyn, Shlohmo and Toddla T.

There is a very respectable Scandinavian indie/rock broadside:
120 Days, Dead Skeletons, Sivert Høyem, I Got You On Tape, Jonathan Johansson and Larsen & Furious Jane.

Yeah, they are billed in small print, but that doesn't mean that they're unworthy acts. Most have several albums out, years of a career and draw crowds of thousands when they're playing at festivals. You just haven't discovered them yet.

And THEN there are the 40-50 extremely small bands for the warmup stages. Your statement would objectively ring true, if the percentage you mentioned reflected the warmup bands who make up half of the announced names so far.


Didn't put into account the amount of warm up bands that is on the list- that gives the lineup a bit different outlook to me. I'll get back to the rest of your post- but, you are really wrong about me. I don't care how big the bands are on a personal level, and I probably knows at least as many "small" bands as any of you (take a look at some of my other posts in the music section) but I don't think Roskilde should focus sooo much on trying to be the breakthrough festival for small bands.

I can't think of a single smaller band from last year that has elevated it's status since summer. Can you?

Funny you should mention Asian Dub Foundation, I was there at the show in 95 (I think) when they were an extremely strong small print band icon_wink.gif Those days you didn't have to look at the subliners or headliners to find plenty of bands you recognized as I've argued before.

Leif Skov is my hero, he knew what he was doing icon_wink.gif
Written on: 13.04.2012 09:10
Bongo Anders
Posts: 1098
Well if Ruben Blades is not playing Arena then they have to find another band to fill the spot but I have seen alot of so called world music acts and even classical music and they do the tent justice even though the tent is "only" half full but that is still 8-9.000 people.
Written on: 13.04.2012 09:25
Wallu
Posts: 639
Bongo Anders wrote:

Well if Ruben Blades is not playing Arena then they have to find another band to fill the spot but I have seen alot of so called world music acts and even classical music and they do the tent justice even though the tent is "only" half full but that is still 8-9.000 people.


Th tents (and Orange) are rarely full at daytime shows. People tend to stick to their camps for a quite long time. But I´d prefer Ruben Blades on Cosmopol and The Roots on Arena just for the intimacy point of view. Just don´t know if that´s realistic.

[This article was edited 1 times, at last 13.04.2012 at 09:28.]
Written on: 13.04.2012 09:47
Bongo Anders
Posts: 1098
Maybe you are right about this one but both Arena and Orange looks weak atm. So it was hard finding bands to fit those 2 stages in the current line up but that is the reason why I think we will see more big'ish bands than usual.

Written on: 13.04.2012 10:00
Lord Beef Jerky
Posts: 1500
While I somewhat agree with Robbie Fowler Is A Fool, I still have to point out, that this year's program is far better than last year. Roskilde started out with huge and great anouncements, and there's no way they can continue that way throughout every announcement. Maybe they should reconsider the way they announce bands, because with the bands they started out with this time around, how can anyone not be disappointed afterwards? However, I don't consider all the announcements post The Roots completely dire. Most are in small print, which means few knew them before their announcement, and therefor few will get excited about them. But there is indeed some gold in there. To me Baroness was a huge announcement and on my must see list, and there's a couple on my might see as well. I'm expecting a lot from poster day, because as I said, I do agree somewhat with Robbie Fowler Is A Fat Bastard, there's some headlining material missing and there's a lot of opportunites out there, that I hope Roskilde will add in my favour. I still am satisfied with the program so far, it will keep me more busy than last year, where one of my clearest memories was sitting on a saturday eating breakfast with a couple of friends, and having a hard time finding just one band we wanted to see on that day. That's never happened to me before in my 17 years of Roskilde, and hopefully it won't ever happen again.
Written on: 13.04.2012 10:40
Aleg-One
Posts: 1744
Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

Bongo Anders wrote:

@ aleg-one
There is nothing wrong in having high expectations just as long as they are within limits of reality and as long i don´t expect all the trance DJ´s in the world to be announced then i think its a shame that anyone should point fingers at anyone because they are exited for the poster release.

I know that i probably don´t know half the names released and that only 10 % of the names will get me exited but if we can´t discuss the poster then why have a debate forum.


You will never get a reply on this question. Some people likes harmony more than passion


@Bongo Anders & Hoestler.

where did I imply that you can't debate? I just joined the debate by implying that every year theres some self-appointed expert with analytical superpowers, saying the lineup is weaker than ever. It's getting old.
Written on: 13.04.2012 10:42
Lord Beef Jerky
Posts: 1500
Aleg-One wrote:

Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

Bongo Anders wrote:

@ aleg-one
There is nothing wrong in having high expectations just as long as they are within limits of reality and as long i don´t expect all the trance DJ´s in the world to be announced then i think its a shame that anyone should point fingers at anyone because they are exited for the poster release.

I know that i probably don´t know half the names released and that only 10 % of the names will get me exited but if we can´t discuss the poster then why have a debate forum.


You will never get a reply on this question. Some people likes harmony more than passion


@Bongo Anders & Hoestler.

where did I imply that you can't debate? I just joined the debate by implying that every year theres some self-appointed expert with analytical superpowers, saying the lineup is weaker than ever. It's getting old.


Are you saying every year consists of an equally strong line-up?
Written on: 13.04.2012 10:51
Aleg-One
Posts: 1744
Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

Aleg-One wrote:

http://blastbeast.dk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/TOODAMNHIGH.jpg


Yeah, because this years lineup is sooo strong it deserves no criticism. icon_rolleyes.gif


I remember you being the loudmouth every year, criticizing the lineup at every chance you get, so don't be surprised then the "old guys" in here don't take you seriously anymore. Just because you've changed your nickname, doesn't mean we forget icon_wink.gif Wasn't it last year when you skipped Roskilde in protest with the lineup?

But if I have to join the debate on a sober matter, then I think it's completely irrelevant to discuss these things now. What the releases "used" to include over the past years, have no meaning what so ever - only the final poster.

If they announce 90 Pavilion Jr. acts on the 19th, then I'll join your army.
Written on: 13.04.2012 10:57
Aleg-One
Posts: 1744
Lord Beef Jerky wrote:

Aleg-One wrote:

Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

Bongo Anders wrote:

@ aleg-one
There is nothing wrong in having high expectations just as long as they are within limits of reality and as long i don´t expect all the trance DJ´s in the world to be announced then i think its a shame that anyone should point fingers at anyone because they are exited for the poster release.

I know that i probably don´t know half the names released and that only 10 % of the names will get me exited but if we can´t discuss the poster then why have a debate forum.


You will never get a reply on this question. Some people likes harmony more than passion


@Bongo Anders & Hoestler.

where did I imply that you can't debate? I just joined the debate by implying that every year theres some self-appointed expert with analytical superpowers, saying the lineup is weaker than ever. It's getting old.


Are you saying every year consists of an equally strong line-up?


What a "strong" lineup consists of, is hard to determine on Roskilde's standards. On a festival like Download or Sonisphere it's easier to know what to expect. I like to keep my mind open when it comes to Roskilde icon_smile.gif
Written on: 13.04.2012 11:14
Bongo Anders
Posts: 1098
Where do i say that the line up is weaker than previous years

I´m just argumenting, (note not claiming) that they have taken a different approach this year with more focus on the poster day.

My stage list was just to get a idea of what is left atm. not to say that the line up is bad because i allready have around 15 bands and artist on my to do list and probably the same amount is waiting on Thursday.

Maybe your criticism was more targeted towards Fowler but as the topic starter i did also feel targeted but with this thread i hoped that we could discuss the poster and keep the jibberjabber in the dedicated moan thread.

[This article was edited 1 times, at last 13.04.2012 at 11:16.]
Written on: 13.04.2012 11:17
Ruslabox
Posts: 168
Bongo Anders wrote:


Apollo - 3 announced acts (Schlomo, Toddla T and Martyn)
Maybe the set times are a little bit longer than the bands performing at Gloria so i would say maximal 23 artist left.



Toddla T is on his The Toddla T Sound Tour which includes a pretty fancy lighting show and some guest performers, so i think he might play Cosmopol.
Written on: 13.04.2012 11:18
Bongo Anders
Posts: 1098
But he was announced for the Apollo stage.
Written on: 13.04.2012 11:43
Aleg-One
Posts: 1744
Bongo Anders wrote:

But he was announced for the Apollo stage.


Nnnnnope icon_smile.gif
Written on: 13.04.2012 11:45
Aleg-One
Posts: 1744
Bongo Anders wrote:

Where do i say that the line up is weaker than previous years

I´m just argumenting, (note not claiming) that they have taken a different approach this year with more focus on the poster day.

My stage list was just to get a idea of what is left atm. not to say that the line up is bad because i allready have around 15 bands and artist on my to do list and probably the same amount is waiting on Thursday.

Maybe your criticism was more targeted towards Fowler but as the topic starter i did also feel targeted but with this thread i hoped that we could discuss the poster and keep the jibberjabber in the dedicated moan thread.


I didn't say that you did icon_smile.gif I just posted my arguments for my picture. And yes - much more dedicated towards Hoestler/Fowler. The reason I included you, were because you were curious about the pic.
Written on: 13.04.2012 11:52
Bongo Anders
Posts: 1098
Oh sorry, the funny thing is that i´m thinking that you are right, it can´t be Bruce, Cure and Björk on all stages but on facebook they only wants biiiiig names.


btw i though that Toddla T was announced for the apollo stage but i remembered wrong.
Written on: 13.04.2012 14:32
Mikael Dahm
Posts: 18
Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

Coldblooded wrote:

Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

90% of the bands this year is totally not bands of magnitude that should be booked at one of the biggest festival in the world. Unless: They are all meant to be bottom of the list and that the big release is where all the big guns will come out.

I understand why you're disappointed year after year by the Roskilde lineup. It's about expectations. The 10% you dig are the headliners and subliners. You expect the remaining 90% to be of the same magnitude, and this is where the film breaks. There are maybe 30-35 slots or so at Orange and Arena to be filled by headliners, subs and the occasional smaller band with arena rock qualities (Asian Dub Foundation, Den Sorte Skole, Flogging Molly, Shantel and Wilco are good examples of small print names who could fill the Arena tent up pretty nicely when they played there across the past decade). If your wet dream of a lineup was to come true, it would require an entirely different set of stages. Like five exact copies of the Arena tent instead of the smaller, more intimate stages that Roskilde has now and has had for donkey's years now.

Let's dig into twenty of the smaller names:

There is a plethora of great hiphop names in the programme:
A$AP Rocky, Mac Miller, Royce da 5'9", Wiz Khalifa and Yelawolf.

There is the slew of Southern rock and metal names, presented as a "theme" one day:
Baroness, Crowbar, Hank 3, Red Fang and Weedeater.

There is a pretty solid electronica handful:
Paul Kalkbrenner, Martyn, Shlohmo and Toddla T.

There is a very respectable Scandinavian indie/rock broadside:
120 Days, Dead Skeletons, Sivert Høyem, I Got You On Tape, Jonathan Johansson and Larsen & Furious Jane.

Yeah, they are billed in small print, but that doesn't mean that they're unworthy acts. Most have several albums out, years of a career and draw crowds of thousands when they're playing at festivals. You just haven't discovered them yet.

And THEN there are the 40-50 extremely small bands for the warmup stages. Your statement would objectively ring true, if the percentage you mentioned reflected the warmup bands who make up half of the announced names so far.


Didn't put into account the amount of warm up bands that is on the list- that gives the lineup a bit different outlook to me. I'll get back to the rest of your post- but, you are really wrong about me. I don't care how big the bands are on a personal level, and I probably knows at least as many "small" bands as any of you (take a look at some of my other posts in the music section) but I don't think Roskilde should focus sooo much on trying to be the breakthrough festival for small bands.

I can't think of a single smaller band from last year that has elevated it's status since summer. Can you?

Funny you should mention Asian Dub Foundation, I was there at the show in 95 (I think) when they were an extremely strong small print band icon_wink.gif Those days you didn't have to look at the subliners or headliners to find plenty of bands you recognized as I've argued before.

Leif Skov is my hero, he knew what he was doing icon_wink.gif



Regarding small names last year, you must have overseen Charles Bradley. He is playing a sold out show at Store Vega later this month. Pretty good for a man, who only few knew before last year. Besides him Nicholas Jarr, Odd Future and The Tallest Man on Earth are also examples on small names from last year, who has elevated since last year
Written on: 13.04.2012 14:47
Aleg-One
Posts: 1744
Mikael Dahm wrote:

Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

Coldblooded wrote:

Robbie Fowler is God wrote:

90% of the bands this year is totally not bands of magnitude that should be booked at one of the biggest festival in the world. Unless: They are all meant to be bottom of the list and that the big release is where all the big guns will come out.

I understand why you're disappointed year after year by the Roskilde lineup. It's about expectations. The 10% you dig are the headliners and subliners. You expect the remaining 90% to be of the same magnitude, and this is where the film breaks. There are maybe 30-35 slots or so at Orange and Arena to be filled by headliners, subs and the occasional smaller band with arena rock qualities (Asian Dub Foundation, Den Sorte Skole, Flogging Molly, Shantel and Wilco are good examples of small print names who could fill the Arena tent up pretty nicely when they played there across the past decade). If your wet dream of a lineup was to come true, it would require an entirely different set of stages. Like five exact copies of the Arena tent instead of the smaller, more intimate stages that Roskilde has now and has had for donkey's years now.

Let's dig into twenty of the smaller names:

There is a plethora of great hiphop names in the programme:
A$AP Rocky, Mac Miller, Royce da 5'9", Wiz Khalifa and Yelawolf.

There is the slew of Southern rock and metal names, presented as a "theme" one day:
Baroness, Crowbar, Hank 3, Red Fang and Weedeater.

There is a pretty solid electronica handful:
Paul Kalkbrenner, Martyn, Shlohmo and Toddla T.

There is a very respectable Scandinavian indie/rock broadside:
120 Days, Dead Skeletons, Sivert Høyem, I Got You On Tape, Jonathan Johansson and Larsen & Furious Jane.

Yeah, they are billed in small print, but that doesn't mean that they're unworthy acts. Most have several albums out, years of a career and draw crowds of thousands when they're playing at festivals. You just haven't discovered them yet.

And THEN there are the 40-50 extremely small bands for the warmup stages. Your statement would objectively ring true, if the percentage you mentioned reflected the warmup bands who make up half of the announced names so far.


Didn't put into account the amount of warm up bands that is on the list- that gives the lineup a bit different outlook to me. I'll get back to the rest of your post- but, you are really wrong about me. I don't care how big the bands are on a personal level, and I probably knows at least as many "small" bands as any of you (take a look at some of my other posts in the music section) but I don't think Roskilde should focus sooo much on trying to be the breakthrough festival for small bands.

I can't think of a single smaller band from last year that has elevated it's status since summer. Can you?

Funny you should mention Asian Dub Foundation, I was there at the show in 95 (I think) when they were an extremely strong small print band icon_wink.gif Those days you didn't have to look at the subliners or headliners to find plenty of bands you recognized as I've argued before.

Leif Skov is my hero, he knew what he was doing icon_wink.gif



Regarding small names last year, you must have overseen Charles Bradley. He is playing a sold out show at Store Vega later this month. Pretty good for a man, who only few knew before last year. Besides him Nicholas Jarr, Odd Future and The Tallest Man on Earth are also examples on small names from last year, who has elevated since last year


Don't forget Justin Townes Earle icon_smile.gif


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