Ruslabox wrote:

Of course there's more electronic music now than ten years ago; The electronic scene is much wider today, and as you said the demand is there. I personally love RF for being so open towards their audience, taking audience wish lists seriously and still be able to impress with new and fascinating acts.

Reben wrote:



Of course it's grown bigger and got more accepted by the mainstream media, I don't disagree with you there. I'm just curious about what happened to all the people who used to blast metal through their stereos all over the camp site? Has the metal crowd grown old and dull and stopped going to RF or have they changed their taste in music? Or isn't the young new Roskilde goers into metal/rock/punk? I know I'm exaggerating and that their still are a lot of people that are into metal/rock/punk, I just feel that the ratio between metal/rock/punk people and electro people have changed drastically over the past years, and I'm just a bit curious to why. Once again I do not mean to complain, I love the diversity that RF offers both in music and in people and I wouldn't want it any other way.

Reben wrote:
I'm just curious about what happened to all the people who used to blast metal through their stereos all over the camp site? Has the metal crowd grown old and dull and stopped going to RF or have they changed their taste in music?

Lord Beef Jerky wrote:

I wouldn't say that metal isn't as influential now as it was 10-15 years ago, it's just evolved into something far less accessible. My problem with the crowd today isn't that it's more electronic or anything like that. There's quality in every musical genre out there. It's more that most of them seem to listen to the same music in every camp, and that music being some annoying hit off The Voice's radio channel. Without sounding condescending, 10-15 years back it was a musical journey walking through the festival site, with a lot of different music playing in every camp and most of it wasn't exactly radio friendly. Today most camps are playing a top 10 from the worst radio channel out there. I mean, how often did you not hear "Mr. Saxobeat" and "Loca People (What The Fuck)" last year?

Lord Beef Jerky wrote:

I wouldn't say that metal isn't as influential now as it was 10-15 years ago, it's just evolved into something far less accessible. My problem with the crowd today isn't that it's more electronic or anything like that. There's quality in every musical genre out there. It's more that most of them seem to listen to the same music in every camp, and that music being some annoying hit off The Voice's radio channel. Without sounding condescending, 10-15 years back it was a musical journey walking through the festival site, with a lot of different music playing in every camp and most of it wasn't exactly radio friendly. Today most camps are playing a top 10 from the worst radio channel out there. I mean, how often did you not hear "Mr. Saxobeat" and "Loca People (What The Fuck)" last year?

Kong Gulerod wrote:



I am not in this to degrade metal music. I am not a huge metal fans myself but enjoy seeing a metal concert every now and then. But I think that metal music is untrendy at the moment and no longer a significant and trendsetting part of the music industry. The line-up (so far) at Copenhell is a great example of this. Headliners are old guys who was huge in the 90'ties. Sadly! I know there is a lot of new quality metal music out there but, as you mention, it is mostly underground bands who is having a hard time attracting hordes of new young metal fans to the metal scene.

weiss wrote:



I do not agree! I'm one of those in here who "only" listen to metal and writes for a metalmagazine here on the internet and I both support Roskilde and Copenhell and Wacken by attending all three.

The metalscene has ALOT of "newcomers" in today musicbuisness and ALSO trendsetting bands! Mastodon, Machine Head, LoG, Killswitch Engage, 1349 and I could make an even longer list. Here in Denmark we have bands like Hatesphere, Mercenary, Vanir, Psy:code, By The Patient.

If the metalscene wasn't a trendsetting part of today music the whole Copenhell-ting wouldn't be a reality in the scene of today! Copenhell needs to get the big old names in the top - just like Roskilde to sell tickets. It's pretty normal. THEN they will have the new names in the bottom of the poster just like Roskilde. And they already have this year.

Copenhell is not the reason why Roskilde seems to lack alot of the metalculture like we saw in the 90's to the middle of 00.

The way I see this "problem" with metal and it's culture on Roskilde is that Roskilde make some huge mistakes concerning their metal which MADE it untrendy! :

They are simply not good enough to give the metalbands a fair play on the festival. I've said it before. They dont make a great timeslot for the bands playing. It's ALWAYS in daylight when the semi-big bands on Orange/Arena playes and most of the time it seems that they are misplaced and because of that the huge party the metalfans should have at those concerts seems to die! 1349, Soilwork, Mastodon, Killing Joke, Parkway Drive, Killswitch, FNM, Satyricon, Gojira, Slayer, Motorhead, Judas Priest ALL bands playing in sunny daylight and I could continue. Motörhead and Slayer sunday at 15.00 on Orange stage or fucking black metal with Satyricon at 13.00!?! Come on please? You don't get metalfans from the northen part of EU to watch these shows when they can get the same bands on Wacken on primetime-slots when the party should start ALSO if you are a metalfan and not just a fan of the electro club-feeling. Only two metalshows on Roskilde in 2011 was in completely dark: Autopsy and Ghost and that is not cool when the party should start!

It's very, very rare now-a-days that Roskilde puts on a metalheadliner on the orange stage at 22 or 01! Iron Maiden, Slipknot and NIN have been THE only bands at those timeslots in the last couple of years. Roskilde is simply not god enough to promote those concerts anymore. Metalfans also want a party ALSO when it's getting dark. You just have to go a couple of years back when Tool played Orange at 22.00 on Orange in '06, Immortal played Arena at 00.00 in '03, Gojira played Arena at 21.00 in '07, Mustasch 23.30 at Arena in '07, Mastodon 22.30 at Arena in '07 and I could once again continue. But I think you guys get my point as you where at the festival!

They are not good enough to get the new bands who can play orange stage at 01. Machine Head could do it. LoG could also pull that off. Our own Volbeat could do it (yes they are metal!). It seems like it's only the electro-party and club feeling Roskilde wants to promote in the night time in 2012. And that is one of the reasons why I think alot of metalfans doesn't want to go to Roskilde. The metalscene lacks ALOT on today's Roskilde.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y12b_lySMp0 - this could be just as good as this years M.I.A show at 01.00 on the orange stage. I do not understand why Roskilde won't give the metalbands a fair chance to pull it off just like M.I.A or Deadmua5... well they at least tried to

Rockmus wrote:



I think you've got a point - but I must agree with Kong Gulerod. When was the last time a big metal band was known in the mainstream? I can't really think of anyone after slipknot and Marilyn Manson (and I'm talking that well-known).

...but how did we end up talking this much metal in the Apollo-electronic thread?

Rockmus wrote:



I think you've got a point - but I must agree with Kong Gulerod. When was the last time a big metal band was known in the mainstream? I can't really think of anyone after slipknot and Marilyn Manson (and I'm talking that well-known).

Kong Gulerod wrote:

There are pleanty of metal-bands out there who could attract hordes of people to Orange in "prime time";

- Metallica (over the hill)
- Iron Maiden
- System of a Down
- Rammstein
- Volbeat
- Slipknot
- Tool

Roskilde is booking them when they get the option.

But I actually agree with weiss - Roskilde Festival is pretty bad at giving metal bands a decent timeslot and have a tendency of scheduling metal acts pretty early in the day. That isn't fair! It is impossible to avoid having some metal concerts early in the day - But in the last couple of years a lot of metal bands have been scheduled early in the day.

Lord Beef Jerky wrote:



Or between 1 and 3 o'clock at night. I'd love to see more metal bands at Roskilde when I'm not insanely hung over or insanely drunk.

Kong Gulerod wrote:

Metal fans are usually very, very dedicated - I like that!

But everytime I go to a metal concert I am sorrounded by people my own age (27-35) and not by Roskilde's target audience (the 18-24-year-olds). That is why I think the metal scene at Roskilde is slowly dying. I guess it is self-reinvforcing effect. But Roskildes scheduling isn't helping...

weiss wrote:



The second problem here is that the focus from the festival is not very much on the metalscene anymore. The younger audience is going to Roskilde beacuse of a brand new Urbanzone with urban-music, a club-feeling electro paradise with the new Apollo-stage, special events with Trentemøller or Deadmau5, Magnetic Man playing a very long special show. This is just some of it.

I'm not disliking the other scenes. Just sayin Roskilde has alot of focus on that.

The metalscene on Roskilde isn't in the same way promotet as the other genres and therefore doesn't attrack the younger metalaudience which goes to Wacken instead.

Lord Beef Jerky wrote:



Spot on!

If Roskilde had more focus on the metal scene, and started booking more fresh metal bands, it would attract a younger metal crowd. Roskilde has alienated this group of people over a long and slow period of time. The metal scene is very much alive, and when you go to various metal concerts with fresh bands, there's a bunch of young people hanging out. Roskilde 2011 was a step in the right direction with bands like Parkway Drive and Bring Me The Horizon... with more of these bands, and hopefully something with more quality than these two bands, in the future, I'm sure the younger metal crowd will come back to Roskilde eventually.