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Convert Agora E to Silent and Clean


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Question:
Should E become Silent & Clean?
Yes!
 
16 of 29 replies (55%)
No!
 
13 of 29 replies (45%)


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Written on: 14.07.2012 23:15
Thomas Atkinson
Posts: 10
Having stayed in E for the past several years, my camp mates and I have had ample opportunity to study the demographics of that particular area. After the large novelty camps (Promilleservice, Orange and Van Damme Camp) have been ousted and have withered into insignificance, it seems that E has become the place of choice for the almost 30+ segment. This often means slightly less noise (except for the camp opposite us this year. It consisted of 10-12 young Norwegian prostitutes with and blatant love for the "Call Me Maybe"-song - artist unknown to the author).
We are heavily considering Silent & Clean next year and I see on this Forum, that so are many other die hard festival goers of the earliy 00's (we are past or fast approaching 30 most of us). I propose that E is converted to Silent & Clean with an extra focus on sustainability next year (sort of like the Green Footsteps idea a few years ago). It is suitable, as it is located i the far south end of West and therefore is not needed as a cattle trail for transport of audience.

What say you Roskilde?
Written on: 15.07.2012 08:27
Christian Forslund
Posts: 341
After this years Roskilde where I camped in C next to a loud music machine and therefore didn't get much sleep, I have decided that I need to change my camping plans for next year in order to get any sleep and here the best and simplest solution for me would be a silent area, so I'm for expanding the silent areas and since I camped close to the windmill I was close to E anyway, so I voted yes.
I have also firmly entered the 30+ age.
Written on: 15.07.2012 17:54
Martin Horn Pedersen
Official RF person
Posts: 1265
But do we need more Silent & Clean? A few forum user, that is older than most of the ppl at Roskilde, is speaking about it, but none have said that they had a problem finding a space in Silent and clean
Written on: 15.07.2012 19:09
Christian Forslund
Posts: 341
I must admit, that I din't go to the actual silent and clean this year, so I don't know if it actually was full, but I assumed it was. Also it seems that the RF audience is becomming much more polarized between the partylovers and the musiclovers and the partylovers has become even louder with theit music machines, so it is close to impossible to get any sleep in a non-silent area (too noicy until 6AM and too hot from 8AM) so I believe that a growing number of musiclovers will have the choice between something like clean and silent and staying at home.

I myself was thinking about the H&M camp, but why should I, if I don't want luxury but just somewhere, where I can sleep.
Written on: 15.07.2012 19:39
Martin Horn Pedersen
Official RF person
Posts: 1265
L,M,N and so on was full, so maby J was, but the big Q is was there ppl who wanted to live the that didnt get a place? And if yes when did they show up? Or was the ppl living in J be ours they could not find a place somewhere ells? I don’t get the "we need more silent and clean" chant going on at the forum, when none of the ppl that want more tried to get a place there and failed
Written on: 15.07.2012 20:00
The Rehabilitation of Luis Suarez
Posts: 2506
Martin Horn Pedersen wrote:

L,M,N and so on was full, so maby J was, but the big Q is was there ppl who wanted to live the that didnt get a place? And if yes when did they show up? Or was the ppl living in J be ours they could not find a place somewhere ells? I don’t get the "we need more silent and clean" chant going on at the forum, when none of the ppl that want more tried to get a place there and failed


J was definitely a lot more full than last year! I know, was there this year and last year. At the same time more and more people are getting fed up with the mayhem at the other camping spots, so the maths are rather simple in my eyes.

How much more silent and clean would be needed I can't say, but there will definitely be a need for more next year.

And most importantly- it would be a good way for the festival to move camping life back to normal.

They could for example designate areas where big sound systems are not allowed. Something in between J and the rest icon_wink.gif

[This article was edited 1 times, at last 15.07.2012 at 20:02.]
Written on: 15.07.2012 20:11
Saturnus
Posts: 3047
Top Secret Identity wrote:

Martin Horn Pedersen wrote:

L,M,N and so on was full, so maby J was, but the big Q is was there ppl who wanted to live the that didnt get a place? And if yes when did they show up? Or was the ppl living in J be ours they could not find a place somewhere ells? I don’t get the "we need more silent and clean" chant going on at the forum, when none of the ppl that want more tried to get a place there and failed


J was definitely a lot more full than last year! I know, was there this year and last year. At the same time more and more people are getting fed up with the mayhem at the other camping spots, so the maths are rather simple in my eyes.

How much more silent and clean would be needed I can't say, but there will definitely be a need for more next year.

And most importantly- it would be a good way for the festival to move camping life back to normal.

They could for example designate areas where big sound systems are not allowed. Something in between J and the rest icon_wink.gif


I don't think there is particular need for more Silent & Clean camping if the problem with the large sound systems are solved.
Written on: 15.07.2012 21:20
Coldblooded
Posts: 1228
Saturnus wrote:

Top Secret Identity wrote:

Martin Horn Pedersen wrote:

L,M,N and so on was full, so maby J was, but the big Q is was there ppl who wanted to live the that didnt get a place? And if yes when did they show up? Or was the ppl living in J be ours they could not find a place somewhere ells? I don’t get the "we need more silent and clean" chant going on at the forum, when none of the ppl that want more tried to get a place there and failed


J was definitely a lot more full than last year! I know, was there this year and last year. At the same time more and more people are getting fed up with the mayhem at the other camping spots, so the maths are rather simple in my eyes.

How much more silent and clean would be needed I can't say, but there will definitely be a need for more next year.

And most importantly- it would be a good way for the festival to move camping life back to normal.

They could for example designate areas where big sound systems are not allowed. Something in between J and the rest icon_wink.gif


I don't think there is particular need for more Silent & Clean camping if the problem with the large sound systems are solved.

Chicken and the egg question, which thing will they change?
Written on: 15.07.2012 21:48
Saturnus
Posts: 3047
Coldblooded wrote:

Saturnus wrote:

Top Secret Identity wrote:

Martin Horn Pedersen wrote:

L,M,N and so on was full, so maby J was, but the big Q is was there ppl who wanted to live the that didnt get a place? And if yes when did they show up? Or was the ppl living in J be ours they could not find a place somewhere ells? I don’t get the "we need more silent and clean" chant going on at the forum, when none of the ppl that want more tried to get a place there and failed


J was definitely a lot more full than last year! I know, was there this year and last year. At the same time more and more people are getting fed up with the mayhem at the other camping spots, so the maths are rather simple in my eyes.

How much more silent and clean would be needed I can't say, but there will definitely be a need for more next year.

And most importantly- it would be a good way for the festival to move camping life back to normal.

They could for example designate areas where big sound systems are not allowed. Something in between J and the rest icon_wink.gif


I don't think there is particular need for more Silent & Clean camping if the problem with the large sound systems are solved.

Chicken and the egg question, which thing will they change?


Well, if they just make more silent and clean and don't fix the sound system issue. That just means the rest of the camping gets louder which will lead to demand for even more silent and clean, so there's no way around addressing the core problem here.

We don't need bandage solutions like this proposal.
Written on: 15.07.2012 21:59
Kaneda
Posts: 382
Martin Horn Pedersen wrote:

L,M,N and so on was full, so maby J was, but the big Q is was there ppl who wanted to live the that didnt get a place? And if yes when did they show up? Or was the ppl living in J be ours they could not find a place somewhere ells? I don’t get the "we need more silent and clean" chant going on at the forum, when none of the ppl that want more tried to get a place there and failed


I think the real issue is that people don't actually want "Silent", they just want "Reasonable". I for one don't care for "Silent & Clean" - others obviously do. I'd just like an area where I can actually hear what the rest of my camp say without them having to use a megaphone, and where the sound level inside our tents isn't 70-85dB 24/7. 60dB would be OK. icon_wink.gif It's not like the entire camping site was silent at 10 p.m. a decade ago.

In other words, as some have discussed elsewhere, more interesting than Silent & Clean would be something somewhere between Silent and Sound System Inferno.

Of course, that wouldn't actually address "the sound system issue" either. And I'm not all that much a fan of this whole semi-segregation of the camping site. Still think of H&M Reboot as a mistake waiting to be fixed. Stuff like this might be a bigger one.

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Written on: 15.07.2012 23:12
Axel
Posts: 25
I can hereby confirm that J was full on wednesday at late afternoon. thats when we arrived and we walked around for hours and could not find sufficient space for a camp of three small tents and a little space between them. until we kind of cofounded J57 with other latecomers which luckily was allowed by the guards lateron. guess, others did the same in other places in J so I guess most people who wanted a space in J got one.
had a brilliant time there, could sleep late at night, had fun the rest of the time, it was not silent most of the time, just reasonable (agreed, Kaneda). lived near the fence, but no problem as not so many people went to piss there.

yes, convert E to silent and Clean as there will be even higher demand next year - or solve the soundsystem-issue. Yet, I personally would still stay in J even if there were no soundsystems elsewhere because I don't like to live in the extreme mess we noticed in parts of P for example.
Written on: 15.07.2012 23:24
Martin Horn Pedersen
Official RF person
Posts: 1265
Axel wrote:

I can hereby confirm that J was full on wednesday at late afternoon. thats when we arrived and we walked around for hours and could not find sufficient space for a camp of three small tents and a little space between them. until we kind of cofounded J57 with other latecomers which luckily was allowed by the guards lateron. guess, others did the same in other places in J so I guess most people who wanted a space in J got one.
had a brilliant time there, could sleep late at night, had fun the rest of the time, it was not silent most of the time, just reasonable (agreed, Kaneda). lived near the fence, but no problem as not so many people went to piss there.

yes, convert E to silent and Clean as there will be even higher demand next year - or solve the soundsystem-issue. Yet, I personally would still stay in J even if there were no soundsystems elsewhere because I don't like to live in the extreme mess we noticed in parts of P for example.


ALL arrears are full on Wednesday. Most ppl have been there 5 days by then. So no matter what you will have to spend a lot of time finding a place when arriving so late. In most other place find space for 3 tents is not possible at all. So that just shows that J is not the hot shit.

But that just brings us back to the soundsystems, but think that is bether to debat that in the other tread, no point in one more for the same
Written on: 16.07.2012 09:02
Eef
Posts: 331
Well I personally love J, cozz it's not such a mess and the toilets are clean compared to the other camping area's.
Converting E into silent and clean, don't know if that would work.. it takes away the special vibe there is around J i guess.

I do prefer something like a noisy and clean area, where there is a dj playing relaxing music, like there was the last couple of days. It was Amazing!! loved it!.

It's my 4th year at the J area, and it never was this popular before.
Still don't get the increasing of populairity, maybe because people get kind of sick of the speakersystems with really bad songs and the shitload of mess everywhere.


Written on: 16.07.2012 10:08
The Rehabilitation of Luis Suarez
Posts: 2506
Saturnus wrote:

Top Secret Identity wrote:

Martin Horn Pedersen wrote:

L,M,N and so on was full, so maby J was, but the big Q is was there ppl who wanted to live the that didnt get a place? And if yes when did they show up? Or was the ppl living in J be ours they could not find a place somewhere ells? I don’t get the "we need more silent and clean" chant going on at the forum, when none of the ppl that want more tried to get a place there and failed


J was definitely a lot more full than last year! I know, was there this year and last year. At the same time more and more people are getting fed up with the mayhem at the other camping spots, so the maths are rather simple in my eyes.

How much more silent and clean would be needed I can't say, but there will definitely be a need for more next year.

And most importantly- it would be a good way for the festival to move camping life back to normal.

They could for example designate areas where big sound systems are not allowed. Something in between J and the rest icon_wink.gif


I don't think there is particular need for more Silent & Clean camping if the problem with the large sound systems are solved.


I agree, and that's why I suggested that in my last sentence of the post you replied to icon_wink.gif
Written on: 16.07.2012 10:13
The Rehabilitation of Luis Suarez
Posts: 2506
Martin Horn Pedersen wrote:

Axel wrote:

I can hereby confirm that J was full on wednesday at late afternoon. thats when we arrived and we walked around for hours and could not find sufficient space for a camp of three small tents and a little space between them. until we kind of cofounded J57 with other latecomers which luckily was allowed by the guards lateron. guess, others did the same in other places in J so I guess most people who wanted a space in J got one.
had a brilliant time there, could sleep late at night, had fun the rest of the time, it was not silent most of the time, just reasonable (agreed, Kaneda). lived near the fence, but no problem as not so many people went to piss there.

yes, convert E to silent and Clean as there will be even higher demand next year - or solve the soundsystem-issue. Yet, I personally would still stay in J even if there were no soundsystems elsewhere because I don't like to live in the extreme mess we noticed in parts of P for example.


ALL arrears are full on Wednesday. Most ppl have been there 5 days by then. So no matter what you will have to spend a lot of time finding a place when arriving so late. In most other place find space for 3 tents is not possible at all. So that just shows that J is not the hot shit.

But that just brings us back to the soundsystems, but think that is bether to debat that in the other tread, no point in one more for the same


You don't seem to listen to what other people are trying to get through- no wonder why the RF made you and official person for them- you fit right in icon_biggrin.gif

Anyways, last year, you could arrive at J on the Wednesday and there was a lot of empty space. Places for huge camps.

This year it was not, and more people seems interested at staying at J next year.

It's not rocket science, for crying out loud! The trend is pretty obvious (a rising demand for quiet and clean) and RF needs to think about this planning for next year.

Get your head out of your arse icon_wink.gif

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Written on: 16.07.2012 11:09
Martin Horn Pedersen
Official RF person
Posts: 1265
Top Secret Identity wrote:

Martin Horn Pedersen wrote:

Axel wrote:

I can hereby confirm that J was full on wednesday at late afternoon. thats when we arrived and we walked around for hours and could not find sufficient space for a camp of three small tents and a little space between them. until we kind of cofounded J57 with other latecomers which luckily was allowed by the guards lateron. guess, others did the same in other places in J so I guess most people who wanted a space in J got one.
had a brilliant time there, could sleep late at night, had fun the rest of the time, it was not silent most of the time, just reasonable (agreed, Kaneda). lived near the fence, but no problem as not so many people went to piss there.

yes, convert E to silent and Clean as there will be even higher demand next year - or solve the soundsystem-issue. Yet, I personally would still stay in J even if there were no soundsystems elsewhere because I don't like to live in the extreme mess we noticed in parts of P for example.


ALL arrears are full on Wednesday. Most ppl have been there 5 days by then. So no matter what you will have to spend a lot of time finding a place when arriving so late. In most other place find space for 3 tents is not possible at all. So that just shows that J is not the hot shit.

But that just brings us back to the soundsystems, but think that is bether to debat that in the other tread, no point in one more for the same


You don't seem to listen to what other people are trying to get through- no wonder why the RF made you and official person for them- you fit right in icon_biggrin.gif

Anyways, last year, you could arrive at J on the Wednesday and there was a lot of empty space. Places for huge camps.

This year it was not, and more people seems interested at staying at J next year.

It's not rocket science, for crying out loud! The trend is pretty obvious (a rising demand for quiet and clean) and RF needs to think about this planning for next year.

Get your head out of your arse icon_wink.gif


First off Høstler as you know I role here is to be a Moderator aka del post if they are breaking the rules, then I do a little more work and try to get an answer on some Q now and then if my contact persons at the festival have them (no I don’t have a hot line for the bookers icon_wink.gif )

But what you are saying is that in 2011 Roskilde wasted a lot of space on Silent and Clean(other places need more space), and in 2012 it end up fitting okay, but was first full the very last day of the festival. That still tells me the area is fine, yes maybe it can end up needing a little more space, but all area does that.

So no it does not sound to be like there is a big need for more area. So Høstler maybe it is time for you go get the head out, and start accepting that ppl can have other opinions than you and that just be course they have that, don’t mean they are wrong or are not listening. And again if you read most ppl problem is that they have live to close to a big sound system, not that they really want to live in J
Written on: 16.07.2012 12:03
The Rehabilitation of Luis Suarez
Posts: 2506
Martin Horn Pedersen wrote:

Top Secret Identity wrote:

Martin Horn Pedersen wrote:

Axel wrote:

I can hereby confirm that J was full on wednesday at late afternoon. thats when we arrived and we walked around for hours and could not find sufficient space for a camp of three small tents and a little space between them. until we kind of cofounded J57 with other latecomers which luckily was allowed by the guards lateron. guess, others did the same in other places in J so I guess most people who wanted a space in J got one.
had a brilliant time there, could sleep late at night, had fun the rest of the time, it was not silent most of the time, just reasonable (agreed, Kaneda). lived near the fence, but no problem as not so many people went to piss there.

yes, convert E to silent and Clean as there will be even higher demand next year - or solve the soundsystem-issue. Yet, I personally would still stay in J even if there were no soundsystems elsewhere because I don't like to live in the extreme mess we noticed in parts of P for example.


ALL arrears are full on Wednesday. Most ppl have been there 5 days by then. So no matter what you will have to spend a lot of time finding a place when arriving so late. In most other place find space for 3 tents is not possible at all. So that just shows that J is not the hot shit.

But that just brings us back to the soundsystems, but think that is bether to debat that in the other tread, no point in one more for the same


You don't seem to listen to what other people are trying to get through- no wonder why the RF made you and official person for them- you fit right in icon_biggrin.gif

Anyways, last year, you could arrive at J on the Wednesday and there was a lot of empty space. Places for huge camps.

This year it was not, and more people seems interested at staying at J next year.

It's not rocket science, for crying out loud! The trend is pretty obvious (a rising demand for quiet and clean) and RF needs to think about this planning for next year.

Get your head out of your arse icon_wink.gif


First off Høstler as you know I role here is to be a Moderator aka del post if they are breaking the rules, then I do a little more work and try to get an answer on some Q now and then if my contact persons at the festival have them (no I don’t have a hot line for the bookers icon_wink.gif )

But what you are saying is that in 2011 Roskilde wasted a lot of space on Silent and Clean(other places need more space), and in 2012 it end up fitting okay, but was first full the very last day of the festival. That still tells me the area is fine, yes maybe it can end up needing a little more space, but all area does that.

So no it does not sound to be like there is a big need for more area. So Høstler maybe it is time for you go get the head out, and start accepting that ppl can have other opinions than you and that just be course they have that, don’t mean they are wrong or are not listening. And again if you read most ppl problem is that they have live to close to a big sound system, not that they really want to live in J


I am sorry to have struck a nerve with you mate, although I did it a little bit on purpose as you started to sound like so many other RF people who don't listen to "the guys in the field" icon_wink.gif

You are still one of the good guys though! icon_biggrin.gif

I'll say there was at least a 20% increase from last year, and this year it was full. Not packed, but full. Expect at least another 20% increase next year, as all of the people who stay at J seems to be very satisfied with the experienced. Not only the hardened festival goer tired of the mayhem, but also young "newbies".

You can be sure that my type and also the "newbies" will try to convince their friends to chose J with them next year.

It really is a great place to stay, and I'd only wish it was there 10 years ago.

So yes, only a fool wouldn't plan for a higher demand next year. Even if the problem with the sound systems are fixed, there will still be a higher demand for quiet and clean. The reason is simple- not everyone goes to RF looking for chaos and party mostly. Many goes for the comradery , camping life and party within reason.

A middle thing would be perfect in my view. Clean and less loud, IE, a camping spot where home made sound systems are banned- boomblasters being the biggest allowed.

But to get back to my point. They must expand Q&C and I also think they should continue to develop it further with it's own showers, happenings etc.

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Written on: 16.07.2012 15:41
Thomas Atkinson
Posts: 10
Dear Martin Horn Pedersen, Official RF person.

You are obviously not a fan of the Silent & Clean concept. Can we get someone involved in the planning of the camping area involved here please (or is that you???)

The demand for S&C is on the rise for sure.
Written on: 16.07.2012 15:53
Wallu
Posts: 705
Have to go with Høstler on this one. I´d also see more demand for reasonable partying next year. DIY sound systems are great and a big part of Roskilde, but I don´t want to sleep next to one (I´m 37, and need a bit of sleep when camping for a week). Stayed in J this year, and it was packed. Lots of people wondering around later in the week looking for a place. Stayed in C in 2009, and it was good, maybe my favourite camping experience, but it´s crazy nowadays. So my vote is for making E somewhere in between.
Written on: 16.07.2012 18:16
Martin Horn Pedersen
Official RF person
Posts: 1265
@Høstler -> You didn’t hit a nerve; I just want to point out what my function on the forum is. So that it is clean that just be course I say some think it is office point of view.

@Thomas Atkinson :
If you read the tread and my posts you will see that I am forum moderator that is my function. Beside for that I am a passion festival goer, so that is why I am a part of the debates.
And you keep on being wrong, I am no problem whit Silent and Clean, I think it is fine it is there. Just like I think get-a-tent, caravan and so on. The only place I don’t like I H&M reboot camp think.

And in general to what ppl is saying.
Remember that we are few users in here (wish we was more)..13! Have responded to this poll, 10 have said yes.. so 10 + some friends.. that is a very small part of Roskilde. I think the debate is great, but like in all others debates we need to remember we are a small part(just like music, if you only ask the forum you don’t get the same answer as if you ask the the 100.000 fans on facebook).
And why is it that I am the “evil one” be course I make a ? about if it is what is need? I want the camping ground is a place ppl want to be? Most don’t want to live in Silent and Clean, yes more wanted to do it this year than last year. But last year was the first year form what I don’t, that Silent and Clean really worked, so maybe ppl now have moved? Yes some more might will, some will leave it (some of my friend lived there and they will not do it again be cores the rules was to strict for them).
So should the festival maybe do some survey and find out if there is a need for a bigger Silent and Clean? Yeah I think that would be a good idea, and on the make ask ppl what they think about it? But calming that the need to do it be course 10 ppl on the forum vote for it .. no
And Wallu
As said before late in the week ppl are wondering around look for space in all areas
Written on: 16.07.2012 18:54
Thomas Atkinson
Posts: 10
Ok, well in that case I think you should change your profile picture to say "MODERATOR" and not "OFFICIAL RF PERSON". The latter could lead someone like me to believe that you work actively for the festival on the festival and not just on their webpage. You obviously have no further competence to comment on the issues at hand than the rest of us, but you sure try to sound like you have some sort of say in what happens at the festival. This is obviously not the case.

Since you closed my other thread in the CAMPING category, I request that you move the Sound system thread to that category, as it is obviously related to that main topic.

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Written on: 16.07.2012 20:57
Saturnus
Posts: 3047
Thomas Atkinson wrote:
Since you closed my other thread in the CAMPING category, I request that you move the Sound system thread to that category, as it is obviously related to that main topic.


Easy there, grasshopper. This forum has it's own life and quirks. We generally dislike having threads moved around and such other logical things.
Written on: 16.07.2012 21:45
Martin Horn Pedersen
Official RF person
Posts: 1265
Thomas Atkinson wrote:

Ok, well in that case I think you should change your profile picture to say "MODERATOR" and not "OFFICIAL RF PERSON". The latter could lead someone like me to believe that you work actively for the festival on the festival and not just on their webpage. You obviously have no further competence to comment on the issues at hand than the rest of us, but you sure try to sound like you have some sort of say in what happens at the festival. This is obviously not the case.

Since you closed my other thread in the CAMPING category, I request that you move the Sound system thread to that category, as it is obviously related to that main topic.


It not a part of my profile picture but a title, and I didn’t decide what to put there, but you have a point, and I will speak whit my “boss” about it.

And not I am not trying to make it sound like I have move to say. I say my opinion and what I want. And yes I like summon up what have been said, and make some part conclusion of that. That is very normal to analyses a debate and make something out of that.

And Thomas Atkinson you need to spend a little more time looking around before you complain. First you don’t read I am a Moderator, and then you request me to do something I had done. I move the thread 2sec after I closed the other one. A long time before your post in here.
Written on: 17.07.2012 01:36
Alex Langberg
Posts: 13
Now, I like the concept of clean & quiet but, really... the demand is too big? Seriously, it's the last area that gets filled up, perhaps competing with P. I know because both me and some of my friends used to work as orange vests and it is very likely that the people you have seen looking for a space in J in the middle of the week are simply there because the staff have told them that there aren't free spots anywhere else. I know, because I used to be one of those who had to help people find a spot.

I know several camps who ended up in J because it was the only place with free spots after a day or two. I went there on tuesday and in the J89 to J92 there were still a lot of free space. I know, because I was given wrong directions and ended up there, so I noticed. Also, many of the tents were spread out so much that it's a wonder the guards didn't force people to move closer together, as I have seen before.

If J was really that attractive, the competition for space would be as in the other areas. It's obviously not. If you make a run for J when the festival opens, I'm pretty sure you will get a good spot. I really don't see the point in all this until those who don't want to be in J don't have to and those who do cannot because it is too attractive. Mostly because otherwise, logically, it makes no sense. Expanding the most attractive areas would make a lot more sense if it was possible.

This doesn't mean that I don't think the big, crappy stereos are a problem, as I have stated in the other thread about it. It's most definitely the main culprit and what they should try to solve first.
Written on: 28.07.2012 13:56
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This year I camped in J due to lack of space elsewhere and I was surprised to experience how Roskilde could be if it wasn't for all the crappy soundsystems and garbage in the streets in all the other areas. In J we were many who realised that the camping life at Roskilde Festival can actually be diferent from the culture which exists now.

I defenitely found Silent and Clean fantastic, and I met and talked to many who also had camped in J due to lack of space. Most of them in the early twenties (it's not only the oldies who like clean streets and a good sleep). It was quite funny to walk through the area every noon and just hear all others talking about how nice it was to camp in J - and that they would defenitely be back next year with more friends. It was like a movement or something - and I expect the demand will grow next year. Indeed.

But to me it is not the most important question when discussing the expansion of Silent and Clean. The interesting point in this discussion is the fact that mostly all of us who ended up camping in J by a mistake found out that it is a really great area and a very different festival experience. It was really great living in a green area in which people were just relaxing and drinking - and with a DJ playing some great music too.

The point is that Roskilde Festival can actually CHOOSE to expand the concept and the area - and thereby change the culture at the festival making more people aware of how the camping life could be. Imagine a number of areas which all were green and without alle the soundsystems (which is another discussion). The festival organizers can change the culture at Roskilde Festival - and they should really do so. Make some restrictions which for once are actually needed...

Actually I find it necessary to expand the concept of Silent at Clean in diferent ways if we want to save the Roskilde spirit before it is completely gone.

[This article was edited 1 times, at last 28.07.2012 at 14:13.]


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