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Convert Agora E to Silent and Clean


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Written on: 29.07.2012 08:36
Lord Beef Jerky
Posts: 1506
The demand for Silent & Clean will be bigger next year, exactly as it's been this year. We either need a new Agora in the same vein as Silent & Clean, or a solution to the huge sound systems out there. In my 5 days of festival, I slept a total of 6 hours... usually I'm on 4-5 hours a day during a festival, but the huge sound systems made sleep almost impossible this year.
Written on: 29.07.2012 09:18
Saturnus
Posts: 3047
Though the demand for silent and clean might increase next year, it's still the very last place to fill up and many that does camp there, only camp there for that exact reason.

It's very clear that there is no actual demand for more Silent & Clean camp, especially not if the sound system issue is solved. If that issue is not resolved, and some rules applied next year, then the demand for Silent & Clean could skyrocket next year. Still not because of actual demand but because people simply wants to sleep occasionally, so they might setup tents in both regular camping and in Silent & Clean camp.
Written on: 29.07.2012 10:16
The Rehabilitation of Luis Suarez
Posts: 2506
Anges wrote:

The point is that Roskilde Festival can actually CHOOSE to expand the concept and the area - and thereby change the culture at the festival making more people aware of how the camping life could be. Imagine a number of areas which all were green and without alle the soundsystems (which is another discussion). The festival organizers can change the culture at Roskilde Festival - and they should really do so. Make some restrictions which for once are actually needed...

Actually I find it necessary to expand the concept of Silent at Clean in diferent ways if we want to save the Roskilde spirit before it is completely gone.


Best argument in this discussion so far! I agree wholeheartedly
Written on: 29.07.2012 22:59
Christian Forslund
Posts: 341
Saturnus wrote:

Though the demand for silent and clean might increase next year, it's still the very last place to fill up and many that does camp there, only camp there for that exact reason.

It's very clear that there is no actual demand for more Silent & Clean camp, especially not if the sound system issue is solved. If that issue is not resolved, and some rules applied next year, then the demand for Silent & Clean could skyrocket next year. Still not because of actual demand but because people simply wants to sleep occasionally, so they might setup tents in both regular camping and in Silent & Clean camp.

No it is not very clear, that there is no demand for Silent & Clean. I camped in C this year as I have done in the previous years, but as Lord Beef Jerky I hardly got any sleep because of the noisy sound machines. My brother even went home in the middle of the night because he gave up on sleeping in the noise.
This year I didn't consider using Silent & clean, because it was far away from the station and the people I knew at C and I didn't think it nesseasry. But I have already decided to do something different next year, so I can actually sleep in the night and here Silent & clean is the obvious choice, especially if F is converted to Silent.

I believe that Apollo will be moved next year, since everybody want it moved, so that will give a little less noise, but I don't think RF will do anything about the sound systems, since the do-it-yourself idea is something RF always encourage, because RF don't like to make restrictions on the camping area and because the rules and ideas for limiting that has been suggested are difficult to use, so I believe the sound systems will be back next year.

So I think the demand for Silent & clean will increase, and I think RF should advertize more for it, since they otherwise will risk losing a lot of the people who actually come for the concerts, because they feel that the camping area is not for them but only the young party punks.
Written on: 24.03.2013 05:30
Anges
Posts: 309
Bump!

@ Responsible Camping staff

If it is possible, I would like to hear if the issues of this discussion will have influence on Roskilde '13?

Will Roskilde Festival expand Silent and Clean and thereby take a clear stand in this discussion? The arguments are written, no need to mention them again.

An idea could also be that you keep Silent and Clean as it is and make some of the other big areas green (not silent). And of course take a stand in the discussion of all those crappy sound systems as well. You know the arguments and different ideas of this issue as well

It would be nice if you (the staff) would reveal just a bit of your thoughts and plans on these discussions - many people have participated, and I guess we are a lot who would like some info (though you normally do not participate in these kind of discussions)

Thank you

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Written on: 24.03.2013 18:55
The Rehabilitation of Luis Suarez
Posts: 2506
Seconded
Written on: 25.03.2013 01:39
Coldblooded
Posts: 1228
I'd love to hear more about this too. It looks from the preliminary maps of the camping site as if Agora F is open again in 2013. Could this be made into a Silent & Clean area at camping West? It would be the best thing since... I don't know what.
Written on: 25.03.2013 09:24
B.
Posts: 652
Isn't it a little early to be talking about expanding Silent & Clean? Although I wasn't at the festival in 2012 we've camped in Silent & Clean in 2010 and 2011 (and before that in the noisier areas since 2003).
The years we've camped in Silent & Clean it was the last to fill together with the outskirts of P.
Written on: 25.03.2013 11:33
The Rehabilitation of Luis Suarez
Posts: 2506
B. wrote:

Isn't it a little early to be talking about expanding Silent & Clean? Although I wasn't at the festival in 2012 we've camped in Silent & Clean in 2010 and 2011 (and before that in the noisier areas since 2003).
The years we've camped in Silent & Clean it was the last to fill together with the outskirts of P.


Last year it was pretty much full, and its reputation is obviously growing from year to year. More and more talk about moving there next year, and those who already have is not about to leave it. They just need to take a walk from Q&C through the other camping to remember why.

If RF don't expand this year, there wont be enough space.

More and more people are fleeing the madness at the "normal" camping areas and I believe RF should try and expand this area to try and get back to something just a little bit more civilized.
Written on: 25.03.2013 12:46
B.
Posts: 652
Yeah, but my point is that S&C only slowly fills up during the warm up, possibly mostly with latecomers.
The two years we've camped there, there was hardly a rush during the opening of the gates to get to J. Only a hand-full of camps that wanted the absolute best spot in S&C but nothing like the madness in most of the other camp areas that seem to fill up a few hours after the opening of the camp sites.

That being said I don't think it would be a bad idea for the festival to gradually shift a few more of the camp areas to the Silent and Clean concept but that's more of a personal preference.

Maybe they can start with designating a few of the more southern camp sites with a 'silent after 2 a.m. rule' or something like that and encourage the larger party camps to camp outside of those areas.
Written on: 25.03.2013 15:48
Saturnus
Posts: 3047
B. wrote:

Yeah, but my point is that S&C only slowly fills up during the warm up, possibly mostly with latecomers.


I agree with this. Not too much run on the S&C even last year. Many people only camp there because the knee jerk reaction from the camping guards if asked where there's room is to say S&C.
Written on: 25.03.2013 16:05
Eef
Posts: 331
Yep it doesn't fill up that fast.
But i guess a lot of people from last years Boominators in combination with the Apollo circling around the camping area's made it clear that people also really need sleepicon_wink.gif at least a few hours. Before people didn't really complain about the soundsystems right? I never saw it on the forum at least and I'm here from 2008. I did see some people fleeing to a Zen area with chill music on the background playing at the J agora this year. And I remember that they were planning on expanding some area's to clean or something like that.
B's idea seems good of making a silent after 2 o clock area somewhere. which is Apollo free perhaps.
To me J is just tha place to be, even if you want to party.
Written on: 26.03.2013 01:20
The Rehabilitation of Luis Suarez
Posts: 2506
There were two bulls on top of a hill looking down on a group of cows.

Look, said the young bull, let's run down and fuck a cow!

No no, son, said the old bull, lets walk down and fuck em all
----

It's not only important which area fills up first. It would be a great shame if there wont be enough space at J this summer. It really felt good staying there, and as said before; the demand is growing. Many people are sick and tired of the chaos and RF should cater for these people. A significant step of getting back to what it should be.

In my opinion.
Written on: 26.03.2013 08:39
Saturnus
Posts: 3047
Classic rock dude! wrote:
It's not only important which area fills up first.


Actually that is the only empirical gauge to measure the exact popularity of the area. If S&C was among those that fills up first, it would be a clear indicator that the area was in high demand and that Roskilde should expand the concept.

I'm considering the S&C but frankly I feel there's greater demand (at least in my mind) for a "middle of the road" area, for example P, where big sound systems (read: bigger than one average sized man can lift) would be banished. No other rules.

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Written on: 26.03.2013 16:27
Eef
Posts: 331
I agree with you on that Saturnus.
The demand for a silent and clean area increasing..i don't know about that,(just in case I will show up on time on a saturday and runnnnn!! to get a good spot icon_wink.gif) but a middle of the road solution would be nice.
Makes me think that even if you make a silent and clean area somewhere at the other side of the camping area. The charm of J is it is such a good spot near the lake. Although to others a graveyard icon_wink.gif
Written on: 27.03.2013 21:49
The Rehabilitation of Luis Suarez
Posts: 2506
Saturnus wrote:

Classic rock dude! wrote:
It's not only important which area fills up first.


Actually that is the only empirical gauge to measure the exact popularity of the area. If S&C was among those that fills up first, it would be a clear indicator that the area was in high demand and that Roskilde should expand the concept.



I agree with that point, but that's not what I said in the quoted text.

To me, this is a great opportunity for RF to move camping life in a little bit of a different direction. And it has been well received and is growing in popularity.

If RF wants more of the real music fans and less of the party, party, party and more party + puke people then they must cater for it. It's about thinking ahead and not only thinking about what is very most popular right now. I hope RF sees a shift in what more and more people really wants out of RF icon_smile.gif (the smileys on this board are awful. Looks like a smug chuckle when all I did was : ) ) I hope it is not all about money.

So as I said: It would be a great shame if there weren't enough space for those who wants it come Thursday in Q&C.

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Written on: 27.03.2013 23:15
Saturnus
Posts: 3047
As you know, and we already discussed, I fully agree. The question is if the world haven't changed too much in the last 10 years to be more than a hopelessly romantic dream on our part.
Written on: 28.03.2013 09:41
Eef
Posts: 331
If they would want les party party people they should change the entrance bracelet part at saturday. I won't put my theory on this message board but to me...people can get in the camping area any time from saturday. And stay a whole week @ only campingareaparty.
Written on: 29.03.2013 12:34
Bongo Anders
Posts: 1154
Now I see that the Large Get A Tent is almost sold out and the GAT Uptown sold out weeks ago, could that be because the socalled party camps that these areas are now more attractive.

Only the reboot camp (GAT Uptown) sold out last year as far as I remember.
Written on: 29.03.2013 14:11
Saturnus
Posts: 3047
Not knowing it per say as I've never stayed there but GAT primarily sells to people that can only arrive later in the week or backpackers that don't want to drag a lot of gear.

It would be interesting to hear from someone that has stayed there when people generally arrive.

Specifically the previous Reboot Camp was to my knowledge not open until Thursday but please correct on that. But specifically for that area, the attraction could not have been silence as there was a DJ playing music in the area at night, and it was just behind the main stages.
Written on: 29.03.2013 15:50
Bongo Anders
Posts: 1154
I usually stay at GAT and thats right people to tend to come Tuesday or Wednesday (me inclusive) but there is actually alot of people already on the first day.

Last Year we came Sunday afternoon to collect our tent and put our camping stuff in it so we just could take the train to Roskilde Wednesday with luggage, beer and Ghetto Blaster. icon_biggrin.gif

But there was already alot of people so we had to get of the tents located closest the the northern perimeter of the area, a few 100 metres from the hot showers, food stalls etc. so its not all dead in the Beginning.
Written on: 30.03.2013 10:38
Frank Jørgensen
Posts: 21
Saturnus wrote:

Specifically the previous Reboot Camp was to my knowledge not open until Thursday but please correct on that.


The Reboot Camp opened Wednesday at 4PM. This year the GAT Uptown area will open Wednesday at noon.


Saturnus wrote:

But specifically for that area, the attraction could not have been silence as there was a DJ playing music in the area at night, and it was just behind the main stages.


No, silence was not the main attraction - overall cleanliness and amenities like WiFi, "restaurant", hot showers and squeaky-clean toilets was. To me anyway.
Written on: 25.04.2013 16:17
Axel
Posts: 25
Hey folks, we may just as well discuss converting Agora _F_ now, if I understand this map right http://roskilde-festival.dk/fileadmin/user_upload/images/2013/map/Kort_indgangsbooking_2013.pdf

Good news for latecomers, I think. There may be more space available on, say, Tuesday oder Wednesday than last year. I wonder whether F will be declared an extra area like J or will just be another ordinary agora.

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Written on: 25.04.2013 16:19
Coldblooded
Posts: 1228
F would indeed be a great spot for a Silent & Clean agora west of the train tracks!
Written on: 25.04.2013 19:13
B.
Posts: 652
Nah, the south part of G would me most suited as it connects to J. F is completely separated from J by the train tracks.
If you move the agora tent, kiosk shop and the luggage storage etc near the connecting road between J and G, you can easily join them together.


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