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The influx of sound systems are raping festival life


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Too many sound systems?
Yes
 
37 of 61 replies (61%)
No
 
12 of 61 replies (20%)
Right balance, but we can't have more
 
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Written on: 03.07.2012 15:41
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2493
It's just gone to far. Simple as.

Walking through camping is a nightmare of dimensions. There are big, bigger and biggest sound systems trying to play louder than their neighbors and it's just plain awful to experience.

No one seems to play music for their camp, but instead putting their systems (often with very bad sound quality) playing extremely loud into the "streets". Chaos. You often can't identify who is playing what as it's all drowning in a huge mess.

I love disco's and dancing/having fun etc. But now it's like I can't find the forest for all the trees.

Some restrictions needs to be applied for future festivals. Like one system pr street or something.

Feel free to agree, disagree or even better come with other suggestions.
Written on: 03.07.2012 18:21
Willy Kerr?
Posts: 46
I love the DIY sound systems and party camps at Roskilde, you don't get it anywhere else!

The problem, is that a lot of the sound systems are just bad... Some camps have good ones, some camps have terrible ones that sound like a car crash... The terrible ones drive me up the wall... distorted, crackly noises, draining batteries, boomboxes turned up beyond their capability.....

But a good sound system will always sound good. And good neighbours will keep the level respectable if they are considerate, or if you ask nicely when you need to sleep, etc.

Written on: 03.07.2012 18:26
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2493
Willy Kerr? wrote:

I love the DIY sound systems and party camps at Roskilde, you don't get it anywhere else!

The problem, is that a lot of the sound systems are just bad... Some camps have good ones, some camps have terrible ones that sound like a car crash... The terrible ones drive me up the wall... distorted, crackly noises, draining batteries, boomboxes turned up beyond their capability.....


But a good sound system will always sound good. And good neighbours will keep the level respectable if they are considerate, or if you ask nicely when you need to sleep, etc.




Agree with the first two paragraphs and especially about the shitty sound systems. I don't mind sound systems at all. It's just that now there are so many that it's very difficult to distinguish one from another, and it's more a competition of getting attention from people than the music itself.

So to me: There need to be a control on this phenomenon as far as I am concerned.

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Written on: 08.07.2012 00:29
Twellmann
Posts: 8
I've had some of the same considerations as well. I believe that Skanderborg has a ban on regular car batteries, but I'm not at all sure.

I honestly believe that some rules/restrictions/requirements could be in order, e.g.:

  • Complete soundsystem no bigger then what a single person can safely handle/move about, get your big icelandic friend to move the stuff about.
  • Must keep in line with the festival premise of clean/green whatever, recycled bits, solar power, etc..
  • Must be able to fit through "this" size hole in the fence, like overhead baggage on planes.
  • Must not sound like utter crap!!.
  • Must not play deathcore for a week straight, after i fix it for you on the first day!!.
  • Must have blueprints icon_biggrin.gif.
  • Must at least ten times a day play songs from performing artists, not only this years beach hit.
  • Must participate in the daily robotwars over at west
  • Must not break when I dropkick it into the mud because you failed to follow the aforementioned rules.


I personally love building soundsystems, but I'd like some "old man rules" because now my own stereo can't keep up, and I don't have the money to upgrade it icon_biggrin.gif
Written on: 09.07.2012 14:39
Coldblooded
Posts: 1191
I must say that for once I agree. Last year and 2010 was bad. This year was absolutely fucking unbelievably insane and so BEYOND that. Walking across the camping areas was a stroll through infernal noise hell. It used to be that the festival area with the stages was the loudest, but now that those are keeping somewhat civil sound levels (maybe even too low at times), the camping area which used to be where you went to get a pit stop, beer and maybe rest is now louder than anything else.

Maybe not physically in dB, but mentally so, because you couldn't walk five metres without having another instance of Carly Rae Jepsen, Alina Devecerski, Medina, Specktors or maybe Klumben (to take the five "greatest shits at camping 2012" ) blasting along at your face at the loudest, most distorted volume possible, and like Høstler points out, even beyond the home-built systems' capacity. It's infuriating and I don't see why it has to be this way. Your brain and ears are mush for days after, not because of great musical experiences, but because of the incessant pummeling from the one-hit wonders in vogue right now. The fulfilling hangover of good sound has turned into a bad repetitive noise trip.

I don't know what should be done about it either. It doesn't really seem the Roskilde spirit to truncate people's diy-mindedness, but it seems as if the play-nice "rules" in the Camp Codex fell completely on deaf ears here. No one gave two fucks about anyone else in regard to turning the music down or limiting it to their own camp. All that mattered was to be louder than your neighbour.

I'd love to hear ideas about what could be done about this. Maybe it could work if the Silent & Clean areas were much bigger. Are the rules about the silence and cleanliness enforced there? Or maybe if people couldn't get their car batteries charged AT ALL. That way, camping would still suck ass because of the noise diaorrhea the first few days and then get more bearable as the shittiest systems gradually ran out of juice. I know it sounds harsh, but camping at Roskilde sounded even harsher in 2012. So, there.

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Written on: 09.07.2012 16:12
Theis
Posts: 16
I must agree. This was my 4th year at the festival and the amount of crappy sound systems made it a sometimes horrible experience. I must admit, I have my own sound system based on the Boominator design. It is solar powered, uses two small motorcycle batteries and is quite environmentally friendly. I almost always take care to turn it down at around 3am and I have managed to sleep right next to it with it going at full blast a couple of times so it should not be that much of a nuisance to other people.

Saturday to sundag I came home from the Mew concert at around 3:30 AM and wanted to go to sleep, but at 4 AM some dumbfuck douchebag on the hill in K decided to play loud trance and techno music the entire night. He only stopped at 10 AM when he went to sleep. It was a huge stereo with active speakers running off truck batteries.


I think the festival should ban all sound systems with a battery capacity of over 30 Ah. With a solar cell and 2x 7.2 Ah batteries my Boominator can play fine for a week and it would force people to consider their designs more than just the standard car-speakers+car-battery+car-stereo approach which is what ruins the sound.

And I also like the suggestion of having no recharge option for the car batteries, though I fear people would just charge them at friends in Roskilde. A large (think 2000 DKK or more) fine for having a car battery would be fair.

Also, a better enforcement of the dB regulations from the camp codex would be great. Have select sound-patrols patrol the camping area at night with dB-meters to take readings from the stereos. No stereo would be allowed to play above 93dB after 3 AM and playing above this level would incur a warning at first and a fine after two or three warnings.
Written on: 09.07.2012 16:14
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2493
Coldblooded wrote:

I must say that for once I agree. Last year and 2010 was bad. This was absolutely fucking unbelievably insane and so BEYOND that. Walking across the camping areas was a stroll through infernal noise hell. It used to be that the festival area with the stages was the loudest, but now that those are keeping somewhat civil sound levels (maybe even too low at times) and the camping area which used to be where you went to get a pit stop, beer and maybe rest is now louder than anything else.

Maybe not physically in dB, but mentally so, because you couldn't walk five metres without having another instance of Carly Rae Jepsen, Alina Devecerski, Medina, Specktors or maybe Klumben (to take the five "greatest shits at camping 2012" ) blasting along at your face at the loudest, most distorted volume possible, and like Høstler points out, even beyond the home-built systems' capacity. It's infuriating and I don't see why it has to be this way. Your brain and ears are mush for days after, not because of great musical experiences, but because of the incessant pummeling. The fulfilling hangover of good sound has turned into a bad noise trip.

I don't know what should be done about it either. It doesn't really seem the Roskilde spirit to truncate people's diy-mindedness, but it seems as if the play-nice "rules" in the Camp Codex fell completely on deaf ears here. No one gave two fucks about anyone else in regard to turning the music down or limiting it to their own camp. All that mattered was to be louder than your neighbour.

I'd love to hear ideas about what could be done about this. Maybe it could work if the Silent & Clean areas were much bigger. Are the rules about the silence and cleanliness enforced there? Or maybe if people couldn't get their car batteries charged AT ALL. That way, camping would still suck ass because of the noise diaorrhea the first few days and then get more bearable as the shittiest systems gradually ran out of juice. I know it sounds harsh, but camping at Roskilde sounded even harsher in 2012. So, there.


Some suggestions, some not really thought all the way through but putting it out there to be discussed- maybe some of those can be formed into something better from you good people here:

- Don't allow home built sound systems. Those who wants to bring must apply the festival in advance and get a license.

- Only one sound system pr "street". Those who have sound system permits, must camp where the festival tells them to camp.

- As Cooldblooded say, expand quiet or clean, if not it will be totally packed next year of people seeking refuge from the mayhem of RF 2012.

- No more charging of batteries, unless you have a permit.

- Festival staff can decide when "enough is enough" and enforce DB regulations. Those who refuse to follow instructions: Of with the armbands and home you go. Stop believing people will "behave" if you are not prepared to enforce the rules and regulations.

- Alternatively to the first options: Create a spot for "party camps", the only place sound systems would be allowed. Also have restrictions on how many, and the distance between them.


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Written on: 09.07.2012 16:35
Anges
Posts: 309
Top Secret Identity wrote:

Coldblooded wrote:

I must say that for once I agree. Last year and 2010 was bad. This was absolutely fucking unbelievably insane and so BEYOND that. Walking across the camping areas was a stroll through infernal noise hell. It used to be that the festival area with the stages was the loudest, but now that those are keeping somewhat civil sound levels (maybe even too low at times) and the camping area which used to be where you went to get a pit stop, beer and maybe rest is now louder than anything else.

Maybe not physically in dB, but mentally so, because you couldn't walk five metres without having another instance of Carly Rae Jepsen, Alina Devecerski, Medina, Specktors or maybe Klumben (to take the five "greatest shits at camping 2012" ) blasting along at your face at the loudest, most distorted volume possible, and like Høstler points out, even beyond the home-built systems' capacity. It's infuriating and I don't see why it has to be this way. Your brain and ears are mush for days after, not because of great musical experiences, but because of the incessant pummeling. The fulfilling hangover of good sound has turned into a bad noise trip.

I don't know what should be done about it either. It doesn't really seem the Roskilde spirit to truncate people's diy-mindedness, but it seems as if the play-nice "rules" in the Camp Codex fell completely on deaf ears here. No one gave two fucks about anyone else in regard to turning the music down or limiting it to their own camp. All that mattered was to be louder than your neighbour.

I'd love to hear ideas about what could be done about this. Maybe it could work if the Silent & Clean areas were much bigger. Are the rules about the silence and cleanliness enforced there? Or maybe if people couldn't get their car batteries charged AT ALL. That way, camping would still suck ass because of the noise diaorrhea the first few days and then get more bearable as the shittiest systems gradually ran out of juice. I know it sounds harsh, but camping at Roskilde sounded even harsher in 2012. So, there.


Some suggestions, some not really thought all the way through but putting it out there to be discussed- maybe some of those can be formed into something better from you good people here:

- Don't allow home built sound systems. Those who wants to bring must apply the festival in advance and get a license.

- Only one sound system pr "street". Those who have sound system permits, must camp where the festival tells them to camp.

- As Cooldblooded say, expand quiet or clean, if not it will be totally packed next year of people seeking refuge from the mayhem of RF 2012.

- No more charging of batteries, unless you have a permit.

- Festival staff can decide when "enough is enough" and enforce DB regulations. Those who refuse to follow instructions: Of with the armbands and home you go. Stop believing people will "behave" if you are not prepared to enforce the rules and regulations.

- Alternatively to the first options: Create a spot for "party camps", the only place sound systems would be allowed. Also have restrictions on how many, and the distance between them.



I ended up camping in Silent and Clean due to lack of free spots in other areas. I've talked to many who had their first time in J as well, and we did all agree that Silent and Clean is the way to go. Expand the area, it's a great idea in many ways. And when it comes to soundsystems I did not experience any problems at all. Instead we were just having some great nights meeting new folks, sitting in the camps talking and getting drunk - or going to other areas to party (knowing that when you go home you will be able to get some sleep).

Still I think restrictions are necessary, and some of the mentioned ideas sounds interesting. I really hope Roskilde will listen to us. Both when it comes to soundsystem restrictions - but also when it comes to expanding Silent and Clean.
Written on: 09.07.2012 16:51
Coldblooded
Posts: 1191
I like your last suggestion: A Loud & Dirty area in contrast to the Silent & Clean ones. In fact, you could just make the loud areas the closest to the stages – B, C, G and L "Loud & Dirty" and have the rest areas billed as Silent & Clean. This way, people will know where to camp. I imagine lots of newbies camping in Agora C only to be disappointed about the generally evil vibe in that area. If certain areas were billed as sonic war zones to begin with, it would be much easier to manage and avoid those areas.

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Written on: 09.07.2012 17:21
Kong Gulerod
Posts: 462
I enjoy the soundsystems - Even the bad ones playing shitty music...

If Silent & Clean was the only place with available camping spots I see no reason for expanding Silent and Clean.
Written on: 09.07.2012 17:52
zoon_67
Posts: 39
Expanding S&C area is good, let people buy ticket for this area and RF can make the dimensions accordingly. And RF must have the responsibility for the general rules for db as anywhere, I guess that the above 101 db would be a police issue anywhere even on the campsite. I have gone GAT to be able sleep when I want to, but it's a graveyard icon_wink.gif.
Written on: 09.07.2012 18:01
Phaedras
Posts: 42
I agree that the soundsystems is getting really bad.. Some of the stereos are bigger than my car icon_eek.gif

Imo the festival should set the following rules for a sound system:

  • No bigger than 1/4 kubic meter in size
  • Weigh no more than 50kgs
  • Not use car batteries


Then just stop the charging stations and force people to THINK about their stereo instead of just raping a T-Hansen for car stuff.. Its not that hard to build a stereo to play for 20-40 people that weigh less than 30kgs and can run all week long if done right.

A lot of people have more money than sense - this needs to be countered!

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Written on: 09.07.2012 19:00
Saturnus
Posts: 3047
Phaedras wrote:

I agree that the soundsystems is getting really bad.. Some of the stereos are bigger than my car icon_eek.gif

Imo the festival should set the following rules for a sound system:

  • No bigger than 1/4 kubic meter in size
  • Weigh no more than 50kgs
  • Not use car batteries


Then just stop the charging stations and force people to THINK about their stereo instead of just raping a T-Hansen for car stuff.. Its not that hard to build a stereo to play for 20-40 people that weigh less than 30kgs and can run all week long if done right.

A lot of people have more money than sense - this needs to be countered!


This!

If you need more, apply for permission from the festival which also means you will have many rules to uphold.
Written on: 09.07.2012 19:21
Coldblooded
Posts: 1191
Saturnus wrote:

Phaedras wrote:

I agree that the soundsystems is getting really bad.. Some of the stereos are bigger than my car icon_eek.gif

Imo the festival should set the following rules for a sound system:

  • No bigger than 1/4 kubic meter in size
  • Weigh no more than 50kgs
  • Not use car batteries


Then just stop the charging stations and force people to THINK about their stereo instead of just raping a T-Hansen for car stuff.. Its not that hard to build a stereo to play for 20-40 people that weigh less than 30kgs and can run all week long if done right.

A lot of people have more money than sense - this needs to be countered!


This!

If you need more, apply for permission from the festival which also means you will have many rules to uphold.


I very much agree. Since you're here, Johnny, I have another idea that you might be able to bring into fruitition. Your Boominator design rules, and every time I pass by one of those, they strike me as the systems that are the most bearable to listen to. I am grateful for that.

However, I sat in a camp who had built a system with a light satellite speaker dangling from the top of their gazebo. It struck me as a maybe even more ingenious idea, because it was barely noticeable from the other camps around them, yet it provided more than ample sound for those who sat underneath the gazebo. Even without walls, the gazebo became like a closed cube of sound for the camp and the camp alone. The bass was provided by a quarter-Boominator-like cube, which acted like a sub underneath.

I think the availability of lighter, lower-powered and more carryable designs such as the Boominator could maybe alleviate some of the noise stress in a soft way. Many people build the steroided car radio systems because they don't know what they're doing in the faintest and end up with overpowered monsters that sounds like ass and needs recharging even on the first night of the festival.

If the Boominator design could maybe be fanned out into smaller, cheaper, quieter and easier-to-build designs, maybe that would prevent people from building stupid, shitty sounding hooligan wagons to cart around the festival and annoy the hell out of people.

The "stationary camp" design could be a starting point. How easy or hard would it be to modify the Boominator into such a design? To sum up: Half a Boominator "cube" with a wired satellite speaker pointing downwards from the gazebo?

And could you think of other ways to "educate" the crowd? I think the restrictions sound very reasonable in lieu of this year's debacle, but if it could be accompanied with well-thought-out plans about how to comply with them, the DIY people probably wouldn't feel completely let down.

Just a few thoughts.

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Written on: 09.07.2012 21:49
Saturnus
Posts: 3047
Coldblooded wrote:

Saturnus wrote:

Phaedras wrote:

I agree that the soundsystems is getting really bad.. Some of the stereos are bigger than my car icon_eek.gif

Imo the festival should set the following rules for a sound system:

  • No bigger than 1/4 kubic meter in size
  • Weigh no more than 50kgs
  • Not use car batteries


Then just stop the charging stations and force people to THINK about their stereo instead of just raping a T-Hansen for car stuff.. Its not that hard to build a stereo to play for 20-40 people that weigh less than 30kgs and can run all week long if done right.

A lot of people have more money than sense - this needs to be countered!


This!

If you need more, apply for permission from the festival which also means you will have many rules to uphold.


I very much agree. Since you're here, Johnny, I have another idea that you might be able to bring into fruitition. Your Boominator design rules, and every time I pass by one of those, they strike me as the systems that are the most bearable to listen to. I am grateful for that.

However, I sat in a camp who had built a system with a light satellite speaker dangling from the top of their gazebo. It struck me as a maybe even more ingenious idea, because it was barely noticeable from the other camps around them, yet it provided more than ample sound for those who sat underneath the gazebo. Even without walls, the gazebo became like a closed cube of sound for the camp and the camp alone. The bass was provided by a quarter-Boominator-like cube, which acted like a sub underneath.

I think the availability of lighter, lower-powered and more carryable designs such as the Boominator could maybe alleviate some of the noise stress in a soft way. Many people build the steroided car radio systems because they don't know what they're doing in the faintest and end up with overpowered monsters that sounds like ass and needs recharging even on the first night of the festival.

If the Boominator design could maybe be fanned out into smaller, cheaper, quieter and easier-to-build designs, maybe that would prevent people from building stupid, shitty sounding hooligan wagons to cart around the festival and annoy the hell out of people.

The "stationary camp" design could be a starting point. How easy or hard would it be to modify the Boominator into such a design? To sum up: Half a Boominator "cube" with a wired satellite speaker pointing downwards from the gazebo?

And could you think of other ways to "educate" the crowd? I think the restrictions sound very reasonable in lieu of this year's debacle, but if it could be accompanied with well-thought-out plans about how to comply with them, the DIY people probably wouldn't feel completely let down.

Just a few thoughts.


Thank you for your kind words about my design icon_biggrin.gif Sound quality was a major design principle of the Boominator so it's nice that it's noted.

There's already plenty of people build half-Boominators already as a spin-off design. I am however making one that will be even smaller, cheaper, easier to make and use even less power. At the expense of not playing party levels of sound like the Boominator is able to though, and not quite the same high sound quality but similar at least.

On the 41hz forum there's also a fully functional micro-Boominator design that I helped create available for everyone to use.

Recently the www.boominator.dk has been started with a wiki to make it easier for people to use my open source design and build one of their own. Likewise www.roskilde-open.dk (as in the excellent camp) is in the process of sourcing the used components so that they can be bought at reasonable prices here in Denmark instead and might also produce flat-packs of the cabinet (cut-out ready-to-assemble packs).

I must again stress that the design is open source. It is intended for getting people interested in building their own systems. It is not allowed to make or produce them for profit beyond a reasonable compensation for the work involved. Any extra profit must be donated to charity.

Lastly I can only encourage everyone to is use the damn volume knob, it might go to eleven but that means it also goes to one sometimes. Much of the magic in music is dynamics between the loud and the silent. Enjoy the Silence.

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Written on: 10.07.2012 00:21
Kong Gulerod
Posts: 462
There is no doubt in my mind - Next years camping codex will contain something to counter the soundsystem issue other than just db limitation rules.

And I know already now that I am going to hate it - Just as I hate everything else in that crappy codex that nobody reads and adheres to anyway.

A much more important issue is the almost constant lack of toilet paper at the campingsite toilets. I suggest to have the entire paid staff of Roskilde Festival to go a week without access to toilet papaer just to make them feel what it is like to live at the festival's campingsites.
Written on: 10.07.2012 03:55
Schwing
Posts: 8
I disagree to some extent with the statement that there are to many home-made soundsystems or that they play to loud.

I must admit that the bad soundquality is a huge problem, and 'Hi-Fi-klubbens' slogan 'Bad Sound Kills Good Music' could be a part of the camp-codex. But then again that happens even for the best, this year for example, I went home from my last concert one night and came by Roskilde Open (Or Hipster Open as our camp called them after the article in OP) and their stereo sounded like shit that night.

About the infernal noise hell that someone mentioned: I love it - Roskilde wouldn't be the same if areas L wans't filled to brim with music. That ongoing mix of music and partying is fantastic - you feel like you are using a crossfader when you walk from the Festival Grounds to camping site and if you find a nice party you dance to a song or two.

And the part about the music being crap like Klumben, Medina, Spectors or any other 'summerhit', well that is just difference in music taste. Personnally I liked to hear 'Lågsus' when I walked home from Mew this year, because I felt that i didn't miss 100 percent of Spectors concert. If you don't like the music then walk to the next party or think about where to camp. The problem might be when people are playing a song over and over, that just get annoying, but then again, everytime I hear 'We No Speak Americanos' and can't help but think at Roskilde 2010.

About some of those solutions: They don't seem to be well considered (If you can say that in English)

The rule about only having one stereo in each street - thats just ridiculous. So now people not only need to run to get a camping space - they are also going to hope that their neighbours won't have speaker or what about people living in the center of a square?

The size requiments could be a possible solution, but were should the limit go? Many people get creative and creates good looking stereos - This year I saw a camp who had created a camp that looked like a old steam locomotive - I din't hear the soundsystem at night but it only had on speaker facing one direction so it couldn't have been that annoying. And thats not only to mention Camp Mordor - their tower was huge.

The the talk about permits. Where is the 'there-is-room-for-everybody-mantra' and the focus on the festival goers co-creation of the festival? Creating a festival stereo shouldn't be for a selected few. I also believe that the process of creating the festival stereo is a huge part of getting into the right mood - or at least it was for my own camp.

About having no recharging of car batteries or increasing the fee: People would just bring more I think. And remember there is a brief moment of silence when the batteries of the badly made stereoes are recharging icon_smile.gif

But apart from that - there was some good solutions to the 'problem':

Enforcing the sound limits as suggest would be a great way to do it and the idea about a bigger silent and clean area is also nice, maybe even combined with the 'loud and dirty (bit)' area. However something in between would be nice also.

I will end by confessing that our stereo where almost playing all night long (And hell it was annoying to hear trance or 'dakke-dak' at 8 in the morning) but we did, or at least when I was around, turn the music down if someone asked nicely. And I am emphasizing the nicely part. Because you might be really annoyed about the music playing really loud. But it doesn't do help to piss those off who have the stereo - I usually just had the stereo go to eleven with the remark that there were plenty of room in J when somebody almost didn't behave politely - as I said to one who told me (almost shouted at me) that I should respect him and his needs to sleep: You cannot demand respect, you can only earn it. The day before another neighbour had asked if we could just turn our stereo so it didn't faced their camp directly and almost said please - I just say they didn't have to ask twice.



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Written on: 10.07.2012 08:35
Kaneda
Posts: 381
Schwing wrote:

About the infernal noise hell that someone mentioned: I love it - Roskilde wouldn't be the same if areas L wans't filled to brim with music.


You're right, it wouldn't. It would be about the same as 2-3 years ago.

Where is the 'there-is-room-for-everybody-mantra' and the focus on the festival goers co-creation of the festival?


That "mantra" gets diluted every time new morons show up - as it has for the past 40 years. Particularly when those morons don't make room for everybody.

And I am emphasizing the nicely part. Because you might be really annoyed about the music playing really loud. But it doesn't do help to piss those off who have the stereo


And I'm sure you were there 24/7 and know that he didn't ask politely before. Oh right, you just said you weren't...

I usually just had the stereo go to eleven with the remark that there were plenty of room in J when somebody almost didn't behave politely - as I said to one who told me (almost shouted at me) that I should respect him and his needs to sleep: You cannot demand respect, you can only earn it.


Way to behave politely. Way to earn respect. Wow, to even start arguing that your need to annoy the hell out of everyone around you comes before anyone else's needs. Be glad your neighboring camp bothered to ask at all - politely or not - and didn't just scatter your precious sound system all over the camping grounds. icon_rolleyes.gif

This is exactly why ridiculous rules are invented. People behaving ridiculously.

And it makes me think the only actual solution is Høstler's and Coldblooded's idea of a dirty and loud area, even if it must take up half the site - with the rest of the camping site returned to about the sound levels of just 5 or 6 years ago - when people could party without angering and frustrating half the festival population.

I don't care so much about the infernal soundsystems (I'd sleep through it and live without the ability to talk normally during our own parties - pretty much already do). What I care about is the way more people are - understandably (well, to some of us) - visibly angered and frustrated every year, spreading bad vibes everywhere, rather than partying and enjoying the festival.

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Written on: 10.07.2012 08:54
Saturnus
Posts: 3047
Schwing wrote:
The size requiments could be a possible solution, but were should the limit go? Many people get creative and creates good looking stereos - This year I saw a camp who had created a camp that looked like a old steam locomotive - I din't hear the soundsystem at night but it only had on speaker facing one direction so it couldn't have been that annoying. And thats not only to mention Camp Mordor - their tower was huge.


To restate my suggestion above, if you need something bigger, ask the festival permission.

Camps that have stereos like these have planned well in advance, usually have a camp concept they follow even if they don't bother to participate in Camp of the Year contest.

I'm sure the festival will allow almost anything that is reasonably described as the main reason is not for the festival to pass judgement on what is a reasonable concept or stereo size, nor is it to dictate where you can camp (unless you describe a massive stereo to play dubstep 24/7 in J or something silly like that).

The reason is simply that when you apply for permission the festival will have responsible contact persons from the camp to deal with should disputes arise.

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Written on: 10.07.2012 09:58
anno
Posts: 273
Schwing wrote:
Where is the 'there-is-room-for-everybody-mantra'?


There is no longer room for everybody on the camping grounds. Those days are long gone. These are the days of me-centric danish mainstream teenagers listening to mainstream music.

The punks, the weirdos, the oldtimers, the finnish metaldudes, all the foreigners and scandinavians, the goths, the reggae-listeners and the leftwing freaks are long since gone.

There are now two festivals.

1. The warm up, unbearable for anyone but the mainstream youth.

2. The festival, which is still, in part, about music.

This is evolution I guess. But it is also about choices made by the festival, about a lot of new festivals catering the individual music scenes, about the economic crisis, about music no longer being somthing you cherish and worship but a commodity you use and throw away, about me getting older.

They say More Than Music, but in saying that, they really make it Less About Music, and that is wrong. What used to be a celebration of music and diversity is now just another garden party. And it sucks. icon_cry.gif

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Written on: 10.07.2012 12:17
TMaagaard
Posts: 312
It's seems the general consensus is that this has reached its' limit and crossed it by a country mile, and I completely agree. We stayed in L106 just besides the cinema and had three different camps we had to complain. And we only had two direct neighbours. Usually I've been pretty good at sleeping through it but most of the times it was impossible. I think I would have had more energy during the music days and managing to see more concerts had this not been the case.

Did anyone else notice Camp Luksus close to the L tower? They had three HUGE soundsystems connected to each other pointing away from their own camp everytime I walked by. To be fair I don't know how much havoc they created, but they certainly had the capabilities to do so.

A friend and I joked about building a soundsystem as well, only it would have to play quiet, comfortable music like Perfume Genius.

By the way, I don't think the guys annoying the shit out of us are reading this, hopefully Roskilde Festival are.
Written on: 10.07.2012 13:32
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2493
Saturnus wrote:

Schwing wrote:


The reason is simply that when you apply for permission the festival will have responsible contact persons from the camp to deal with should disputes arise.


And, also, the fact that people have to plan a bit more before coming with their sound systems deterring those who are not overly determined.
Written on: 10.07.2012 13:33
Classic rock dude!
Posts: 2493
anno wrote:

Schwing wrote:
Where is the 'there-is-room-for-everybody-mantra'?


There is no longer room for everybody on the camping grounds. Those days are long gone. These are the days of me-centric danish mainstream teenagers listening to mainstream music.

The punks, the weirdos, the oldtimers, the finnish metaldudes, all the foreigners and scandinavians, the goths, the reggae-listeners and the leftwing freaks are long since gone.

There are now two festivals.

1. The warm up, unbearable for anyone but the mainstream youth.

2. The festival, which is still, in part, about music.

This is evolution I guess. But it is also about choices made by the festival, about a lot of new festivals catering the individual music scenes, about the economic crisis, about music no longer being somthing you cherish and worship but a commodity you use and throw away, about me getting older.

They say More Than Music, but in saying that, they really make it Less About Music, and that is wrong. What used to be a celebration of music and diversity is now just another garden party. And it sucks. icon_cry.gif


I agree 100% with everything you say icon_wink.gif
Written on: 10.07.2012 14:13
Kaneda
Posts: 381
Top Secret Identity wrote:

anno wrote:

Schwing wrote:
Where is the 'there-is-room-for-everybody-mantra'?


There is no longer room for everybody on the camping grounds. Those days are long gone. These are the days of me-centric danish mainstream teenagers listening to mainstream music.

The punks, the weirdos, the oldtimers, the finnish metaldudes, all the foreigners and scandinavians, the goths, the reggae-listeners and the leftwing freaks are long since gone.

There are now two festivals.

1. The warm up, unbearable for anyone but the mainstream youth.

2. The festival, which is still, in part, about music.

This is evolution I guess. But it is also about choices made by the festival, about a lot of new festivals catering the individual music scenes, about the economic crisis, about music no longer being somthing you cherish and worship but a commodity you use and throw away, about me getting older.

They say More Than Music, but in saying that, they really make it Less About Music, and that is wrong. What used to be a celebration of music and diversity is now just another garden party. And it sucks. icon_cry.gif


I agree 100% with everything you say icon_wink.gif


+1, but that goes without saying.
Written on: 10.07.2012 18:08
Schwing
Posts: 8
Well as you might have spotted on my post count, I do not have that much of experience on this forum and cannot use those fancy and practical quotations - I hope I'm excused for using the 'old-school-method' of writing peoples names.

First of all: Kaneda you might be right that the festival would be more like it was a couple of years ago if there weren't all those car stereos. This year was my third time to Roskilde Festival so I actually don't know how it was before the increase of sound systems.

Kaneda - the part about 'Way to behave politely. Way to earn respect' - well that just end in another discussion about the hen and the egg. But as you also pointed out and that I mentioned myself - I wans't around all the time.

Saturnus: If that is the case then I'm game for a permit. But when I first heard about the idea, I thought of something as difficult to get as the right to be a Green Footstep Camp. Not that I really know how difficult that is, but it sounds very difficult, and that was my point: Most people shall never give up before they even have begun - well we do hope to filter of those with the bad stereos as mentioned. But if the permit is as easy as you say it would then icon_biggrin.gif

TMaagaard: I would hesistate to claim that there is a general consensus. The poll only have 28 replies, even fever answers (23 + the one I'm writing right now) and about a thousand views many of them by the same persons I guess. Thats mere 1.25 percent of the approx. 80.000 standard tickets sold. But as you mention yourself: The doucebags probably don't use the forum at all.

Anno: You say that the days with room for everybody are long gone - and that is probably right, I don't know it myself hence my own three years of experience. But then also think about how society has changed too over the years. How many punks are left? Or those leftist freaks you speak about? And it might just be because I come from the suburbs of Copenhagen - But I was still a little astonished to see such a diversity of people when I vistited Roskilde Festival in 2010 icon_biggrin.gif



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