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Is there a "non drug or weed" camp at Roskilde ?


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Written on: 30.03.2010 04:43
USlander
Posts: 367
I know that Europe is made up of several countries, just like the US is made up of several states ( 50 to be exact). California is one of only 5 states in the US where smoking is not allowed pretty much anywhere aside from public streets, your car and your house. So the US resembles most of Europe in the sense that you can smoke freely in most places, and my comments about smokers not caring if they blow smoke your way goes for all smokers. In the US and Europe alike. Smoking is simply more ingrained into the European culture than the US's culture. Also it doesn't matter what the legal age is for smoking in Europe, it is not being adhered to. Just like the drinking age isn't adhered to. Are you saying you never had alcohol until you were 16 or 18? Are you saying you never smoked until you were 18? That's bullshit and you all know it! It doesn't matter what the law is, smoking starts at a young age. You can buy cigarettes on street corners from vending machines throughout most of Europe. Advertising cigarette smoking to children is illegal in the US as well, but there are ways around that. Adults seen smoking are still the best form of advertising for kids and I don't see that stopping anytime soon. Also when I mention Europe, I am not focusing specifically on Denmark, I am focusing on Europe, Scandinavia and the UK (and I am not including Russia). Europe has a cultural smoking problem, and it's a fact. You may not like what I have to say but I still stand by it. I was never as anti-smoking as I am now, until after I lived and worked in Europe for several years. Where people pack bars and clubs without proper ventilation and smoke till you can't see more than a few feet in front of you, essentially creating a gas chamber! If smokers were aware of such going-ons and/or were actually concerned about other things then their nicotine habit, then they wouldn't continue to act in such a fashion. Also I know that several countries, Sweden most recently, have adopted a no smoking in bars, clubs and restaurant rule. So they are aware that there is a problem, but it's still a problem of epidemic proportions throughout Europe.

Here's a way for you guys to test what I have said. The next time you are sitting in a public place and someone lights up next to you. Ask them very nicely to put out their cigarette or to move somewhere else. Then tell me how they reacted, how they looked at you, and/or what they actually said or did. Try to be as polite as possible and see what sort of responses you get. I bet they wont be nice at all.
Written on: 30.03.2010 08:44
CharlieSabotage
Posts: 378


First of all let me just start by saying I'm a smoker. Just to get that clear. I am one of those who live in a country with quite strict tobaccorules. You can only buy cigarettes in the stores, where they are hidden behind the cashier, and if you look like you're younger than 25 you have to show some ID that you are older than 18. And there is not allowed to smoke inside anywhere which is not your own property. all public buildings, including all bars, have a strict non-smoking rule.

But on something completely different. This is something i experience alot. Me sitting outside minding my own business, having a cigarette. then other people come up to me and sit down next to me, when they clearly see me smoking before they choose to sit down.. and then complaints on me smoking next to them. are benches banned for smokers now?
Written on: 30.03.2010 09:51
Dave The Babe
Posts: 678
OOH WHAT A GLORIOUS MARVELOUS LAND!
Written on: 30.03.2010 10:49
Deleted user Honestly, I smoke too. I fucking love it and hate it, but I wouldn't dream of smoking on a bench in a park unless there was no one else was around. I've never had the experience that Charlie describes, but I can certainly imagine it. Even at Roskilde (like I said on the previous page) I'm relatively courteous. But let's face it man, it's different at Roskilde. Loads people smoke just because it's festival. But that doesn't seem to be your point.

However, gotta give USlander credit for knowing how many states there actually are. I went to American school back in the day, and was indoctrinated with 52... Oh the horror when I found the truth.
Written on: 30.03.2010 16:16
anno
Posts: 273
when i go to the states i am often shocked by the way people drive around in their stupid cars without thinking about me. i can stand on a street corner and they drive right by! what ignorance! a life time of inhaling car fumes is much more dangerous than a life time of occasional passive smoking, yet nobody thinks about ME: they all just drive around recklessly blowing killer fumes down my lungs! what about our rights as good american libertarians to do what we want you say? not here! we are all just socialists now!

*smoking a big cigar blowing smoke at my poor defenceless, socialist cat*

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Written on: 30.03.2010 22:02
USlander
Posts: 367
Yes, car emissions are a really big problem as well, but they are also a world wide problem. The thing is cars do not come sit next to you and blow exhaust in your face like cigarette smokers do. If someone was already smoking at a bench, I would not expect them to put out their cigarette or move if they were there first and/or it was an area you can legally smoke in. I am referring to when smokers will come sit by me or other people and then light up, wiothout asking if ity is okay ahead of time. I have also seen, throughout Europe, people smoking on the platform of train stations in areas that are clearly non-smoking. My point, which I stand by, is that cigarette smokers really do not give a fuck! They will smoke when they want to, where they want to, as often as hey want to and do not think about anyone else. Also it doesn't matter if the cigarettes are behind the counter at the store, kids will always find a means to get at them. Like I have said again and again, take a look around you and look at the ages of some of the people smoking in your respective city, country, or state. If you happen to live near a school, try looking around during break or lunch time and see how many of Europe's young people are smoking. You would be shocked and subsequently should be ashamed.


I do not think I am going to be able to explain myself or defend myself more than I already have. I have my opinion, and you have yours. Both of which we are entitled to. I am not going to change my opinion and I do not think you will change yours. I simply stated what mine was and will foever stand by it 100%!
Written on: 30.03.2010 23:00
EmilMark
Posts: 765
This south park episode explaines my point of view....

http://www.xepisodes.com/southpark/episodes/713/Butt-Out.html

Written on: 31.03.2010 01:18
Martin Horn Pedersen
Posts: 1265
USlander

Yes every one have a right to have a opinion, but when it is build on factuel error it is not worth shit
Written on: 31.03.2010 09:11
CharlieSabotage
Posts: 378
EmilMark wrote:

This south park episode explaines my point of view....

http://www.xepisodes.com/southpark/episodes/713/Butt-Out.html




now that one's a classic icon_biggrin.gif
Written on: 01.04.2010 22:29
USlander
Posts: 367
What did I say that was not factually accurate?

1) I said Europeans smoke more than people in the US. That is true.
2) I said European kids smoke at a much earlier age ( and more) than US kids do, and they do.
3) I said cigarette smoking is more engrained in European culture than US culture, and it does
4) I also said that Europe has less anti-smoking laws/regulations than at least California, not necessarily the US as a whole. Only about 5 states in the US are anti-smoking at present ( and I can only think of California and New York).
Written on: 16.05.2010 12:09
Lars Inge E. Gundersen
Posts: 8
Katja wrote:

I seek a camp who does not smoke weed og use drugs.. Anyone ? icon_redface.gif
icon_cool.gif If you searc a non smoking camp, you are not free, but try www.na.org
Written on: 16.05.2010 12:12
Lars Inge E. Gundersen
Posts: 8
Lars Inge E. Gundersen wrote:

Katja wrote:

I seek a camp who does not smoke weed og use drugs.. Anyone ? icon_redface.gif
icon_cool.gif If you searc a non smoking camp, you are not free, but try www.na.org
icon_eek.gif Placbo - Centrefolds
Written on: 16.05.2010 12:17
Lars Inge E. Gundersen
Posts: 8
CharlieSabotage wrote:



First of all let me just start by saying I'm a smoker. Just to get that clear. I am one of those who live in a country with quite strict tobaccorules. You can only buy cigarettes in the stores, where they are hidden behind the cashier, and if you look like you're younger than 25 you have to show some ID that you are older than 18. And there is not allowed to smoke inside anywhere which is not your own property. all public buildings, including all bars, have a strict non-smoking rule.

But on something completely different. This is something i experience alot. Me sitting outside minding my own business, having a cigarette. then other people come up to me and sit down next to me, when they clearly see me smoking before they choose to sit down.. and then complaints on me smoking next to them. are benches banned for smokers now?
EVERYONE shuld hawe a choice, Roskilde feelin is about beeing differeent indiviudals, "bad engelsk" but aanyway Roskilde is not a "non smoking" place to bee.. icon_wink.gif
Written on: 16.05.2010 17:12
Peter Parker
Posts: 102
USlander wrote:

What did I say that was not factually accurate?

1) I said Europeans smoke more than people in the US. That is true.
2) I said European kids smoke at a much earlier age ( and more) than US kids do, and they do.
3) I said cigarette smoking is more engrained in European culture than US culture, and it does
4) I also said that Europe has less anti-smoking laws/regulations than at least California, not necessarily the US as a whole. Only about 5 states in the US are anti-smoking at present ( and I can only think of California and New York).



1. how do you know this?
2. again, how do you know this?
3. ditto

Tobacco, one of the most widely used addictive substances in the world, is a plant native to the Americas and historically one of the half-dozen most important crops grown by American farmers. From 1617 to 1793 tobacco was the most valuable staple export from the English American mainland colonies and the United States. Until the 1960s, the United States not only grew but also manufactured and exported more tobacco than any other country. Since 1964 conclusive epidemiological evidence of the deadly effects of tobacco consumption has led to a sharp decline in official support for producers and manufacturers of tobacco

The tobacco industry generally refers to the companies involved in the manufacture of cigarettes, cigars, snuff, chewing and pipe tobacco. The largest tobacco company in the world by volume is China National Tobacco Co.. Following extensive merger and acquisition activity in the 1990s and 2000s, international markets are dominated by five firms: Philip Morris International, British American Tobacco (represented in the U.S. market by a 42% stake in Reynolds American, Inc.), Japan Tobacco, Altria, and Imperial Tobacco.

Tobacco advertising is becoming increasingly restricted around the world. More so in Asia and Africa.

Participants in the industry argue that commercial tobacco production is a vital part of the American and world economy. They state that thousands of farmers in the United States, alone, make their living from raising tobacco leaves for use by the industry. They cite the fact that the tobacco industry contributes billions of dollars in tax revenue to the state and federal government every year

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_bans heres some reading material, a list of our countries and how they enforce smoking laws
Written on: 18.05.2010 04:27
Neztnerol
Posts: 14
My camp is both drug AND guitar free!
Written on: 19.05.2010 00:43
Ace > The Coffin Camp
Posts: 402
Jim Daggerthuggert wrote:

USlander wrote:

Good luck finding a camp or anywhere at Roskilde where someone is not smoking something! Europeans think it is their God given right to smoke anywhere! It's one of the things I hate the most about Europe! You cannot escape people smoking, and they are too self absorbed to realize that their smoking effects everyone around them!


Gosh darnit, then stay in the US, where you have the liberty to do as the goverment want's you to.

And talking about effecting everyone around them: The USA failed to adopt the greatest international agreement for the reduction of greenhouse gases, the Kyoto Protocol, which has been accepted by nearly every other country. This is despite the fact that the USA is by a massive margin the world's biggest polluter and very disproportionately so.

"Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite. All of which are American dreams"

-RATM


I just became your biggest fan.
Fuck the norm?
Rage Against The Machine IS the norm.

[This article was edited 1 times, at last 19.05.2010 at 00:44.]


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