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Written on: 18.07.2013 09:28
Mr. Monster
Posts: 944
I think it could be interesting to discuss what kind of changes or improvements we would like to see at Roskilde.

I've mailed the following three to the festival (and got a nice reply too).

Make a huge cleaning team
If Roskilde Festival really wants to do something about the waste, especially in the camping area, but don't want to force the participants into anything, which is how I've understood their opinion, then I suggest they make a huge cleaning team of maybe 1-2.000 volunteers, that actually makes sure that all trash is removed constantly during the festival. Of course they can't clean camps, but all roads, open areas etc. If the festival is cleaner, and there are trash bins within sight at all times, I think people will start changing their behavior.

2 acts per day on Orange Stage
They are way to many concerts at Orange that would have been much better placed at Arena (Kris Kristofferson, Bobby Womack, Turbenegro as examples from 2013). I totally understand that the economy is not to get huge Orange bands 4-5 times a day, so limit the number of concerts at Orange to aprox. 2 per day. This would have given us Slipknot, Rihanna, Volbeat, The National, Metallica, Chase & Status, QOTSA and Kraftwerk this year, which I belive is a fine Orange program.

And drop the idea of the newcomer scandinavian opening act. It rarely turns into a good concert.

Drop Sunday, add Wednesday (actually a Saturnus idea that I just agree with).
Sunday is a dead day, people are tired, leaving, whatever. Close the festival with a big bang Saturday and give people Sunday to pack up and go home. Add Wednesday with a program from 17-24 (like Thurday). It will reduce the number of bands, but really that shouldn't be hard to do, and I think it will give better concert experiences.

What do you guys think? What ideas do you have?


[This article was edited 2 times, at last 18.07.2013 at 09:43.]
Written on: 18.07.2013 13:41
Wallu
Posts: 712
I actually like that there are "smaller" bands on Orange. It´s nice to sit on the back, just chilling, and watching the festival go by. And I also like the atmosphere on Sundays when you can feel the mood is different from the other days after a week of intense partying. So sorry, I kinda disagree on those two subjects...
Written on: 18.07.2013 16:38
Cathrine
Posts: 55
If Sunday is to be dropped, I think opening on Friday would be a good idea.
It might reduce some of the pressure with everyone arriving at once as well, as many might have to work etc and can't arrive early friday morning, but rather during friday nigth/saturday morning..
And Thursday could always be expanded to a full concert day, so there would be no need to reduce the amount of bands.

I kind of like the smaller concerts at Orange as well, I don't believe it needs 60,000 people to have a good vibe. Arena gets packed so quickly, and with some bands its hard to predict how many people will show up. I prefer a slightly less crowded Orange, over a packed Arena where its almost impossible to move or breathe. Plus a overcrowded Arena also means the entrance from East becomes complete chaos, not to mention the food and drink stands around Arena.

I think Roskilde could very easily improve the showers! I'd love to be able to put my panties on without being burned by a flatiron or whatever, because the mirrors are right inbetween the benches.. They either need to up the space, or stop letting twice as many girls as there is room for in there :S Huge space issues every single year, I don't understand why they don't just raise the capacity!
The amount of trashcans could be more, and why not just have a container or something close to the toilets? Won't have to depend on being around when the trucks come by. I miss the portable ashtrays they handed out at the cigarette stalls like two years ago, I actually used them!
Written on: 19.07.2013 00:00
Axel
Posts: 26
those guys on G and so on, the trash kids, _want_ to live in the trash. they will produce more trash, if you take their trash away, or do other silly things, I suppose.

my suggestion is to just attract more people who do not wish to live in trash. Like the ones in J / Silent + Clean. Provide more space for them.

the clean areas (without silent, about 5 of those areas this year) did not work too well, was my impression, there was still a lot of trash, in E for example.

I would like to have more S+Cs, anyway, as we will probably not be able to visit RF 14 otherwise. We are a couple of guys from abroad, cannot make it on saturday or sunday due to job and families. Last year it was difficult to find space for a camp of just a couple of tents on Wednesday afternoon in J, so we decided to arrive on Tuesday this year: Same situation!
We were thinking about Get a place, but we don't like the spot near the big road.

I like the idea of dropping sunday, and having the main music start on wednesday. And why not open the camping area on sunday / one day later? Maybe it would reduce the percentage of party-only/trash-people.
Written on: 19.07.2013 08:16
Mr. Monster
Posts: 944
Wallu wrote:

So sorry, I kinda disagree on those two subjects...


I was not looking for approval, I was looking for debate...

Interesting view on the non-crowded Orange shows. I guess it's because I like the intensity of crowded shows. For me it all becomes very onfucused with people talking instead of listening etc.
Written on: 19.07.2013 09:03
Wallu
Posts: 712
Mr. Monster wrote:

Wallu wrote:

So sorry, I kinda disagree on those two subjects...


I was not looking for approval, I was looking for debate...

Interesting view on the non-crowded Orange shows. I guess it's because I like the intensity of crowded shows. For me it all becomes very onfucused with people talking instead of listening etc.


You can always go to the pits, when there´s not that big of a crowd. One of my favourite Orange shows (Madness in ´09) was really lacking audience, but the atmosphere in the pits was just amazing.
Written on: 19.07.2013 10:45
Mr. Monster
Posts: 944
Wallu wrote:

Mr. Monster wrote:

Wallu wrote:

So sorry, I kinda disagree on those two subjects...


I was not looking for approval, I was looking for debate...

Interesting view on the non-crowded Orange shows. I guess it's because I like the intensity of crowded shows. For me it all becomes very onfucused with people talking instead of listening etc.


You can always go to the pits, when there´s not that big of a crowd. One of my favourite Orange shows (Madness in ´09) was really lacking audience, but the atmosphere in the pits was just amazing.


I do that, but still I miss the big roar from behind, the feeling that everybody is into what's going on on the stage.

I also believe that the artist give a little more when they face a filled area, no matter if it's a tent or open space like Orange.
Written on: 19.07.2013 10:52
gixbit
Posts: 274
I agree with Wallu. I've also grown to like the less crowded shows on orange. Bobby Womack worked great this year for example. Stood in the second pit. Me and my friends saw perfect, had room to dance and no one around talked loud. Excellent!

Kris K worked alright to. Even if it was a quite boring concert.

One thing that can improve is the food at the caravan camping. It's ridiculus to pay an extra fee for 400 dkr and really get nothing for it.
Written on: 19.07.2013 11:56
Mr. Monster
Posts: 944
gixbit wrote:

One thing that can improve is the food at the caravan camping. It's ridiculus to pay an extra fee for 400 dkr and really get nothing for it.


You (we) get space and flushing toilets, but except for that I totally agree. And wifi would be very nice, while we are at improvements for Caravan.
Written on: 20.07.2013 00:03
Martin Horn Pedersen
Official RF person
Posts: 1273
Make a huge cleaning team
First of finding 1-2000 more volunteers would be close to impossible most years. And I am not sure that having a big team will make ppl throw less. I think many will just think "oh the is a big team to clear up so I will throw it"

I agree on more trash bins is a good idea, lazy is a big part of it. I lived in Dream City this year, and to me it was very clean for a camping area at Roskilde. L was shit. So I think it is more about working on with the small think Roskilde is doing to chance the mind of the ppl, then getting a big team.

2 acts per day on Orange Stage

I agree with gixbit and Wallu about the Orange stage. It is fine with some act that doesn’t fill it up.
So no need to chance that imo.

I agree with you about it would be a good idea to rethink the opening act. I think Volbeat 2007 was the last time I went to see the show. I have watch show on other stages at the same time. But I also understand the point in giving a new name a big chance. But yeah throw it up in the air and see if what is done now is the right thing to do.
Written on: 22.07.2013 15:09
TMaagaard
Posts: 380
Axel wrote:

those guys on G and so on, the trash kids, _want_ to live in the trash. they will produce more trash, if you take their trash away, or do other silly things, I suppose.

my suggestion is to just attract more people who do not wish to live in trash. Like the ones in J / Silent + Clean. Provide more space for them.

the clean areas (without silent, about 5 of those areas this year) did not work too well, was my impression, there was still a lot of trash, in E for example.

I would like to have more S+Cs, anyway, as we will probably not be able to visit RF 14 otherwise. We are a couple of guys from abroad, cannot make it on saturday or sunday due to job and families. Last year it was difficult to find space for a camp of just a couple of tents on Wednesday afternoon in J, so we decided to arrive on Tuesday this year: Same situation!
We were thinking about Get a place, but we don't like the spot near the big road.

I like the idea of dropping sunday, and having the main music start on wednesday. And why not open the camping area on sunday / one day later? Maybe it would reduce the percentage of party-only/trash-people.


I lived in E this year (E70 or so) and wasn't aware it was actually a "clean" agora. I noticed we had a pretty big brownish yellow dumpster close to our camp but that's about it. If I had known it was a clean agora I would've been way better at throwing out thrash.
Written on: 22.07.2013 18:05
Jesper EH
Posts: 59
I agree that Sunday is getting a bit boring. QOTSA concert would have been very different if it was Saturday night instead of Sunday afternoon.
I think the festival should make the following changes:

New open air stage
Change Odeon to a open air stage. We need another stage with the same capacity as arena. Some acts on Odeon and Cosmopol were too big for those stages and as discussed above, some orange acts would have been better on a smaller stage. Make some place to sit and watch the show.

Music buildup instead of warm up and main festival
I think it would be cool to open more stages during the week. It could be something like opening Pavillion and Apollo Sunday, Cosmopol Monday, Odeon Tuesday, Arena Wednesday and orange Thursday. And as mentioned above, drop Sunday, or maybe just a couple of acts on the smaller stages, so some will stay for a couple of hours to avoid to much chaos on the roads and in the trains.
Written on: 23.07.2013 10:05
Christian Forslund
Posts: 342
Jesper EH wrote:

I agree that Sunday is getting a bit boring. QOTSA concert would have been very different if it was Saturday night instead of Sunday afternoon.
I think the festival should make the following changes:

New open air stage
Change Odeon to a open air stage. We need another stage with the same capacity as arena. Some acts on Odeon and Cosmopol were too big for those stages and as discussed above, some orange acts would have been better on a smaller stage. Make some place to sit and watch the show.

Music buildup instead of warm up and main festival
I think it would be cool to open more stages during the week. It could be something like opening Pavillion and Apollo Sunday, Cosmopol Monday, Odeon Tuesday, Arena Wednesday and orange Thursday. And as mentioned above, drop Sunday, or maybe just a couple of acts on the smaller stages, so some will stay for a couple of hours to avoid to much chaos on the roads and in the trains.

While your music buildup makes sense and RF already this year talked about having a buildup instead of a warmup (or something like that), I personally wouldn't like it, as I feel too old to stay at RF for a week and therefor comes for the music on thursday and I would hate to miss out on more music (already missed out on a few warmup bands like Baby in Vain). So I think it makes sense to keep the musicdays at four (I doubt any festival has more than four musicdays). It will also help keep RF a musicfestival, which it sometimes seem like it is less and less (f.ex when people talks about removing the Orange stage).

On sunday The programme on sunday are seems generally made to suit a more mature taste, which also fits the concept of 60+ people getting in there for free. I have left after the second Orange concert some years, while I had to stay this year with QOTSA (which was my favourite concert this year) and Kraftwerk playing. But I don't think people leave early only because they want to get home, but more likely because there is no more bands they want to see. If Metallica was playing the closing concert, I don't think a lot of people would have left. And at least some people would also leave early on saturday, if that was the closing day as at sometime there might not be any bands left, that you want to see.

I did see Jake Bugg at Odeon, where I stood so far from the tent that he barely could be heard, and I also headr that C2C way too big a crowd at Cosmopol, but I also saw a few concerts at Arena, where the tent was nowhere near full capacity and only Of Monsters and Men and Crystal castles really filled the tent (among the concerts I saw) so it might have to do with not with less than perfect scheduling ( which is quite complicated though) than lack of capacity.
Written on: 23.07.2013 13:10
Mr. Monster
Posts: 944
Martin Horn Pedersen wrote:

Make a huge cleaning team
First of finding 1-2000 more volunteers would be close to impossible most years. And I am not sure that having a big team will make ppl throw less. I think many will just think "oh the is a big team to clear up so I will throw it"


I received a nice reply from the head of cleaning Lotte, and she also believe it would be hard to find the volunteers but also that it would take a great deal of organizing as well.

Furthermore she told me that the management at Roskilde Festival has decided, that it has to be the visitors who take part of the cleaning, not volunteers.

She mentioned previous initiatives like Silent & Clean, beer for trash and the new Clean Camp areas as methods to get vistors to clean up.

In my opinion these initiatives haven't worked, in the way that they haven't made the festival significantly cleaner, however Silent & Clean seems to work well in that little isolated area J.
Written on: 09.10.2013 19:52
Eric
Posts: 48
I disagree at all three points.
1. 1-200 volunteers extra? What a vaste with the resources. There are other ways to make it cleaner. More trash bins is a good Idé. Give everyone a plastic bag together with the program when you arrive to the festival who you then can fill and getsomething for if you have filled it is also an idea who some other festivals use.
And for them who have a problem whith a to trashy camp can chose to camp at the silentcamp instead there it´s much more cleaner and quit.

2. acts per day on Orange Stage
I don´t understand at all why you want this. Yes it might should be some act who had worked better at the Arena stage. But 2 bands a day at Orange stage. Would mean a very limited number of bigger band every year. Turbonegro playd Arena?? I´m very happy they didn´t do that. Arena is not that huge so it could be close to have space for all this people who went to see Turbonegro. Arena is as it is to day to small for many bands. They should make it bigger. Buy a bigger tent to have the Arena consert in. But not slow down at the number who plays at Orange Stage.

3. Drop Sunday, add Wednesday
No! I like the way at it is today. Nice of Roskilde to have a day for free day for all who have become 60 years. Who they can have if a lot of people leave. The ones who leave is like you say. The ones who is tired and anyway not good at partying.
For they who chose to stay as myself is it always some good partys whos going on here and ther over the festival. Not that many as during the week before. But huge and you can find beer and boze everywhere who lazy peoiple have left. So don´t quit one day earlier.
Written on: 20.10.2013 01:42
Fjellaben
Posts: 13
The atmophere have changed a lot during my 18 years on the festival but some really nice folks that I meet there my first year in 1995 said the exact same thing so eighter im getting older or times are just changing like they always do over time. Whilst I thought 1995 was a peace and love hippie and rock festival giving me the chance to experience something similar to Woodstock some of the veterans I talked to that year said it was their last time because of bad behavior from the younger generations and the change in atmosphere.

1. People need to take more responsabillity for their own trash and behavior. After a nice week of music and friendship its a shame it ends with destroying camps the last day with agressive behavior like smashing everything and urinating on the ruins of it all afterwards. I do think as someone pointed out that a lot of people actually like living in the trash and if you take it way from them they will produce new trash. Does it have something to do with what kind of audience the festival attracts more of these days or are Scandinavians now in generall become to rich and spoiled to realize this sucks on so many levels I do not even know where to begin to describe it. Perhaps instead of a few Silent and Clean areas you could make a few Filthy and Agressive areas for those who like to behave that way?

2. I absolutley love chilling on the grass in the back at daytime Orangestage concerts. Please do not take that away. Kris Kristofferson and James Blake this year was awesome forexample.

3. I am ambivalent about this one. I like the Sundays and that it feels a little different but I altso think its a shame so many pack up and leave that day even though they arrived 7 days before programe actually started to just then skip the last day. Ofcourse I understand many have to get back to work Monday and so on but still. So it might be a good idea to make Wedensday the new Thursday but then Thursday have to have a full programme from the morning like Fridays have now. Ending the festival on Saturday with a big bang and let folks pack up and leave during Sunday. That said I love the ending shows at Arena on Sundays with the last hardcore people partying with a big smile on their faces. I altso always liked that 60+ get in for free that day.


[This article was edited 1 times, at last 20.10.2013 at 01:49.]


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