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Gypsies are Evil!


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Written on: 05.07.2010 15:29
USlander
Posts: 367
I was disgusted by the Gypsies at this year's Roskilde! They would constantly go into our camping area and take cans and bottles even after we told them we were collecting them ourselves. There has to be a way to forbid Gypsies from coming into certain areas. Can Roskilde actually do something about this? They were so aggressive this year as well and I personally felt like they were going to rob us in our sleep. The festival is for music lovers, not a bunch of homeless scavengers!
Written on: 05.07.2010 15:50
Rasmus Pedersen
Posts: 1
USlander wrote:

I was disgusted by the Gypsies at this year's Roskilde! They would constantly go into our camping area and take cans and bottles even after we told them we were collecting them ourselves. There has to be a way to forbid Gypsies from coming into certain areas. Can Roskilde actually do something about this? They were so aggressive this year as well and I personally felt like they were going to rob us in our sleep. The festival is for music lovers, not a bunch of homeless scavengers!


Some of my friends found a solution for this problem:
http://i46.tinypic.com/2cfvdc5.jpg
Written on: 05.07.2010 16:08
Kaneda
Posts: 383
It's a vicious circle.

The Romani I've noticed in the past years are the exact same people who were there, say, 8 years ago. Back then, I remember no problems, and they were always very polite, mostly going out of their way to not be noticed (i.e. intrusive). Many of them still ask me every time, rather fearfully, if they may take my cup, which I've left on the ground next to me. So, did these same people suddenly turn 'evil'? Doubt it. More likely, certain festival goers arrived who already were. Not at all meaning you icon_wink.gif, just saying that if other people treat them like shit, they'll eventually end up treating you like shit. That's how all humans work.

At one concert, I saw a girl helping 'the old lady' (we've always just called her that - always notice her) getting a plastic cup from amongst the feet of the crowd by dragging it with her foot. Not picking it up for her or anything, just making it easier for her to get to. In return, the girl got a big smile, a pat on her arm and a heartfelt 'thank you' from the lady. That's more Orange Feeling right there than I see from a large percentage of the festival crowd in the course of a week these days.

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Written on: 05.07.2010 16:32
USlander
Posts: 367
I would like if Roskilde would post official notices or signs that say collecting cans and bottles from other people's camps is forbidden, without their permission. Camps can have signs or warning signs that make their camp or area officially a no Gypsy Zone.
Written on: 05.07.2010 16:44
skallgrimsson
Posts: 1120
USlander wrote:

I would like if Roskilde would post official notices or signs that say collecting cans and bottles from other people's camps is forbidden, without their permission. Camps can have signs or warning signs that make their camp or area officially a no Gypsy Zone.


That should be a rule! I agree.

When they collect them at concerts/festival area I don't care too much. But it's a bit creepy/crappy with people stealing from camps openly!
Written on: 05.07.2010 18:54
unsent
Posts: 81
Oh, my word! MUST we have this discussion again this year? Of course the festival is not able or willing to BAN ethnic groups from the festival - are you still high? That would be in violation of everything the festival stands for, so please, take your dirty politics someplace else! Romanis steal LESS than your ordinary white/Caucasian guy (confirmed by the police) but are hated to an extent that I am appalled and disgusted with!

I cannot even begin to understand how you could even propose something so ludacris! In my opinion, anyone who support or stand/speak up for this racism, should be banned from the festival - how do you like it when the tables are turned? "No, sorry, you've previously expressed racist attitudes. No entry".

Please, let's not sink into this disgusting and unworthy topic! I've never met a refund collector who wouldn't take no for an answer - though they might humbly return and ask again. And this affects you, how? I'd rather you protested the exploitation of women and children in this respect.

I'm smelling brown shirts and combat boots, and I don't like it one bit! Please stop the fuckin' hatred!
Written on: 05.07.2010 19:17
Kaneda
Posts: 383
unsent wrote:

Oh, my word! MUST we have this discussion again this year? Of course the festival is not able or willing to BAN ethnic groups from the festival - are you still high? That would be in violation of everything the festival stands for, so please, take your dirty politics someplace else! Romanis steal LESS than your ordinary white/Caucasian guy (confirmed by the police) but are hated to an extent that I am appalled and disgusted with!


Less patiently put than me, but I quite agree. icon_confused.gif
Written on: 05.07.2010 19:20
unsent
Posts: 81
Kaneda wrote:
unsent wrote:

Oh, my word! MUST we have this discussion again this year? Of course the festival is not able or willing to BAN ethnic groups from the festival - are you still high? That would be in violation of everything the festival stands for, so please, take your dirty politics someplace else! Romanis steal LESS than your ordinary white/Caucasian guy (confirmed by the police) but are hated to an extent that I am appalled and disgusted with!


Less patiently put than me, but I quite agree. icon_confused.gif



I'm just so tired of this ol' discussion! I don't see how refund collectors can mess up one's party - if so, the party mood has certainly been left at home, and that just isn't right.

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Written on: 05.07.2010 20:27
USlander
Posts: 367
I think the real problem with the Gypsies this year was with the black Gypsies from Africa. They were the worst ones in my eyes and very aggressive when it came to can collecting. There was this one scum bag that really pissed me off, that kept coming to our camp to collect cans even after we told him to stop doing it. If I could have I would have had him arrested. And Roskilde can enforce a rule or law that you are not allowed to enter a person's personal camping zone and take anything at all unless you have been invited to. Think of your camping area as being your house and front lawn. Do strangers have the right to come in and pick things off your front lawn, or come in from the back yard and do the same? This to me is a personal space and rights issue. We paid for a camping area, which we essentially own for the duration of the Festival. No one should be able to trespass on our property without our express knowledge or consent!

P.S. Most of you know that I am part Black already, so I can make negative comments about black people anytime I want to. And some black people are scum bags who ruin it for all other decent black people by being a walking-talking negative stereotype.
Written on: 05.07.2010 20:29
USlander
Posts: 367
Also Unset: The party mood gets ruined when you are initially polite to someone and they are rude back to you, when they enter your personal space, trespass and take things you aid for. You can be as PC as you like, but Gypsies are nothing more than scavengers working off the efforts of others. Which makes them parasites in my eyes.
Written on: 05.07.2010 21:03
unsent
Posts: 81
USlander wrote:

Also Unset: The party mood gets ruined when you are initially polite to someone and they are rude back to you, when they enter your personal space, trespass and take things you aid for. You can be as PC as you like, but Gypsies are nothing more than scavengers working off the efforts of others. Which makes them parasites in my eyes.


Just for the record, I'm not attempting to be PC, but I honestly don't understand why people let refund collectors spoil their day. I haven't had the kinds of experiences that you have through eleven festivals - it seems an awfully big coincidence that EVERY refund collector I ever met is nice and humble about it - whilst others have nothing but negative experiences? Doesn't seem real in my opinion. I'm just sick and tired of this discussion. If you don't want refund collectors in your camp, get access to one of the closed-off sections, where one needs a special wristband to get in - refund collectors are an even older tradition than toppling the fence, which quite a few in here applaud of...

And, you know, just as an experiment, try exchanging "gypsies" with "jews" and you'll see an exact replica of 1930's politics throughout Europe - we really don't want to go down that road again, do we? Or exchange it with "negro" and see a 16th-20th century repercussion of views on black people - and that's another road we wouldn't want to go down, too, right? Do you see my point? I just think this discussion is tired and pointless - discrimination is against the law in Denmark, and the Festival doesn not have the volunteerpower to keep anyone out of anywhere in the "free" areas of the camping grounds.

Peace!
Written on: 05.07.2010 22:20
JockeyFullOfBourbon
Posts: 892
Y´all just chill, okey? icon_cool.gif
Written on: 06.07.2010 09:55
Pat
Posts: 6
I'm with unsent on this, and it has absolutely nothing to do with being politically correct. This was my tenth year at Roskilde, and I still haven't experienced these rude thiefs that seems to be such a huge damn problem for people. Sure enough I noticed a lot of african men gathering refund this year, along with the usual suspects, but in what way did any of them wreck the festival? They were always asking, and they pretty much always thanked us when we let them in for some cleaning service. Also, our camp had quite a pleasant discussion with one of them, where he among other things told us that he was hoping to make upwards 20.000 DKK on refunds over the course of the festival. Pretty good way to make a buck I'd say, and I'm all for them doing so. They paid for the tickets too.

I do think an attitude adjustment is in order if you let the collectors destroy the festival for you. In fact, just about anything that goes down on the festival could possibly destroy ones experience (the constant loud music, out of control-people, the heat, the fucking fees to everything, the stupid ban of brought-in beverages at the festival site, anything) but only if ones own attitude allows it to do so.

There are real issues to talk about, like the real stealing commited by the real thives and idiots roaming seemingly free among our tents, going for wallets, cellphones and cameras etc., and also the increasing use of hard drugs like amphetamine on the festival. Heck, I worry a lot more about the raging amount of idiots listening to mind-numbing electronica and rave-type music-for-shitheads all over the place than I would ever worry about refund collectors "stealing" 9 DKK from me any given day.
Written on: 07.07.2010 12:49
Eiderdown
Posts: 1
The last time before 2010 I attended Roskilde was 1998 and the difference in behaviour amongst the bottle-collectors is certainly noticeable. The mood is agressive and quite a few seem to simply be using it as a cover for stealing. Two people I know both woke up and barely avoided having their wristbands cut by gypsi...oh, sorry "romani-looking individuals". At the stall I was manning for very, very long hours on end, I talked to several who had their camps broken into by people apparantly collecting bottles - one of whom apparantly recieved quite a trashing upon being caught. At the Patti Smith concert a friend of mine bought a jug of (outragously priced) beer, and it was simply impossible to leave it on the grass while sitting right beside it when empty, because of collectors piciking it up for the 25,- DKK refund while hoping we didn't notice although obviously there was no doubt whom it belonged to. Did it ruin my festival? Certainly not, but it's nonetheless a pain in the ass, and definitely different compared to when I last visited the festival.

I know there is an attempt to paint this as only a result of the vicious danish culture of racism (you see, anyone can accuse Danes of having a culture that involves racism, whereas it would be very naughty and racist to accuse anyone else of having a culture that involves, say, stealing), and there may even be an element in that. But let's face it. There are people coming that are extremely agressive in their collecting and also people who only use collecting as a foil for stealing. Can something be done about it? Probably not, but attempting to paint is all as only a result of some kind of latent nazi-like (oh please...) xenophobia is certainly not going to solve the problem either.
Written on: 08.07.2010 02:11
Ace > The Coffin Camp
Posts: 402
the WORST thing about it, is when they wear mint-green teeshirts, or black tees with Tuborg logos etc.
They do this to look ''official''. I don't mind their collecting. it's their sneeking, and trying to trick us, I don't like!
Written on: 08.07.2010 11:55
Jim Daggerthuggert
Posts: 637
I fail to see the problem. We had no refund collectors in our camp. If you just collect your own refund over the day, in the blue bags the charity refunders hand out, then there is no "unofficial" refund collectors in your camp.

No reason for them to come, no theft and so on. And at the same time, you are doing a good deed and helping people in need. Also your camp is nicer to live in, with out the refund all over the place.

Pick up the garbage and put it in the red bags as well and you will live like kings, free of thrash and theft and feeling great about your self.

You can do the same at the festival area, just give your refund to the official refunders - in person or in the boxes put up for the purpose.
Written on: 04.05.2011 03:44
Silje Cathrin Olsen
Posts: 18
I didn't mind them collecting empty glasses and cans, but when I had to almost wrestle a lady to keep my glass I became annoyed. They came asking for our glasses even before they were empty, and when they were empty there was no end to it, the same people would come over and over again. I wanted to keep my glass so I could mix drinks in it, but they didn't grasp that.

But I lived in the get-a-tent area last year, and they were never there, therefore we were not as bothered.


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