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Written on: 23.01.2011 14:35
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Robbie Fowler is God
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I have a feeling that the new people to this post haven't read the reason for the missing newspaper in english. So here it is: An english newspaper is not economical possible, because nobody bought the english newspaper when i was available.
So, how many years was the English newspaper available? I remember one year - a few years back. Just about every other initiative gets a few years of "run in time", because the festival knows from experience - and have mentioned it regularly - that new stuff rarely gets popular - or even generally known about - the year it's introduced.
And of course, if nothing but the English newspaper is available, it would more than likely be bought as much as the Danish one. If there's only one candidate, there's only one choice. I don't know of a Danish Roskilde guest who wouldn't be able to read it. I know of one (1) person from outside Scandinavia who'd get anything out of the Danish one. Of course, Friedrich just became the first foreign person I've ever heard of, who bought the Danish one for the approximately 150-200 lines of English text. 
If the paper ONLY was in English (which I don't think it ever was) then people would buy it
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Written on: 23.01.2011 14:43
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Kaneda
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If the paper ONLY was in English (which I don't think it ever was) then people would buy it
That's the point, yeah. There probably never was any economic feasibility in making both a Danish and an English one, but that's the only thing the festival has tried (again, a single year, as far as I recall). Besides, with short deadlines, translating something written and thought in Danish into English tends to suck. It's not that hard to find people in Denmark who are able to think - and write - in English from the start.
Does that mean losing out on some readers? Maybe a few hundred. More likely, you'd gain quite a few. And send a signal that this recently Dane-infested festival actually still wants to be international.
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Written on: 23.01.2011 17:47
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Henning
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But the fact that danish people actually bought the danish newspaper instead of the english proves that the danish people would rather have the danish newspaper. You can make as many petitions here on the forum as you want, but it does not change the fact that the danish people bought the danish newspaper instead of the English. Sure, most of the danes CAN read the english, but they would rather have a newspaper written in their native language. I completely agree, that a comprimise, with english summaries, would be the perfect solution.
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Written on: 23.01.2011 18:34
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Saturnus
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But the fact that danish people actually bought the danish newspaper instead of the english proves that the danish people would rather have the danish newspaper.
It doesn't prove anything at all.
The real question is; if there was only one newspaper in english would you buy it? I can't see any reason why any danes would not buy the newspaper if it was only in english.
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Written on: 23.01.2011 18:43
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Coldblooded
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But the fact that danish people actually bought the danish newspaper instead of the english proves that the danish people would rather have the danish newspaper. You can make as many petitions here on the forum as you want, but it does not change the fact that the danish people bought the danish newspaper instead of the English. Sure, most of the danes CAN read the english, but they would rather have a newspaper written in their native language. I completely agree, that a comprimise, with english summaries, would be the perfect solution.
Your reasoning is, as Saturnus points out, broken.
If a festival newspaper is available in your mothertongue, of course you will buy that one as opposed to the English one. And there's loads of danes on the festival, so of course that edition of the paper will outsell the English one.
Our point is that if the festival newspaper was only printed in English, it would be A) just as cheap as only printing a Danish newspaper, and B) it would sell even more, because the Danish people who are on the festival read English pretty damn well, and the foreign guests would be more inclined to buy it, as they would now actually understand the articles.
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Written on: 24.01.2011 21:05
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Martin Horn Pedersen
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When I buy the papir, it is early and my head dont work, that meens it is hard to read english then danish, becores danish is more natural to me. So if I am fucked up after a hard night, no I will not buy the English one. The papir dont have "need to know" stuff, it got some nice too know stuff in it.. so no you cant make a only in english = all that buys the Danish one + some , you will loose some readers, will you gain more then you loose? no one knows
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Written on: 24.01.2011 22:19
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Robbie Fowler is God
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If people are arguing against a paper in English because it's hard to read the day after...
Well, time to get back to school fellas. Come on!
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Written on: 24.01.2011 23:45
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Coldblooded
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When I buy the papir, it is early and my head dont work, that meens it is hard to read english then danish, becores danish is more natural to me. So if I am fucked up after a hard night, no I will not buy the English one. The papir dont have "need to know" stuff, it got some nice too know stuff in it.. so no you cant make a only in english = all that buys the Danish one + some , you will loose some readers, will you gain more then you loose? no one knows
I don't think I have ever been so inebriated that I were unable to read English. Speak it, sure – that skill wanes even after the fifth beer, but read it? No way.
Let's see how the poll turns out. Could we have it on Facebook also? That would mean a bigger userbase answering it, and thus more momentum behind the cause, if it turns out that people actually support the idea.
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Written on: 25.01.2011 17:28
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Martin Horn Pedersen
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My point was not that i CANT read it, but is that it is harder. There will be some words where you have to stop up and think hmm , that problem will not be there in danish for a dane.
And i want me life to be easy at Roskilde, I can spend my time think at home.
And the poll dont shows shit in here, yeah I vote to, but we are so few users that post regluarery in here, but putting it on facebook might be a idea
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Written on: 26.01.2011 16:56
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MLindberg
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It's not that i can't read an English paper, because I can - very well, in fact. However I don't think that English should overrule Danish, when we are in Denmark.
I know that it might not be the best for the forreign guests, but you know what? It's a Danish festival. Danish may never ever be overruled by another language in Denmark. There should be an English paper at Roskilde, though. There must be some volunteers who can translate the Danish paper into English. I would.
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Written on: 26.01.2011 20:34
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LiamC
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It's not that i can't read an English paper, because I can - very well, in fact. However I don't think that English should overrule Danish, when we are in Denmark.
I know that it might not be the best for the forreign guests, but you know what? It's a Danish festival. Danish may never ever be overruled by another language in Denmark. There should be an English paper at Roskilde, though. There must be some volunteers who can translate the Danish paper into English. I would.
Just to clarify - I'm not trying to campaign for English to overrule Danish at a Danish festival. I completely agree that you should have a right to have a Danish version of a newspaper at a festival in your own country. The ideal scenario would of course for there to be both a Danish and an English version as they've done in previous years. My point here is that if they cannot find a way to justify doing this financially and can only print the newspaper in one language, I believe that it should be English. This is fair to everyone. I know Roskilde is a Danish festival, but it is promoted and advertised to people from many different countries. As we have seen in this topic, it's not just UK people who would prefer to read the newspaper in English, but also people from Norway (and Norwegian visitors make up a huge chunk of the festival's population).
So yeah, to sum up, I'd rather see both a Danish and an English newspaper. All I'm saying is that if there can only be one, it should really be English.
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Written on: 26.01.2011 21:52
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Coldblooded
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It's not that i can't read an English paper, because I can - very well, in fact. However I don't think that English should overrule Danish, when we are in Denmark.
I know that it might not be the best for the forreign guests, but you know what? It's a Danish festival. Danish may never ever be overruled by another language in Denmark. There should be an English paper at Roskilde, though. There must be some volunteers who can translate the Danish paper into English. I would.
Just to clarify - I'm not trying to campaign for English to overrule Danish at a Danish festival. I completely agree that you should have a right to have a Danish version of a newspaper at a festival in your own country. The ideal scenario would of course for there to be both a Danish and an English version as they've done in previous years. My point here is that if they cannot find a way to justify doing this financially and can only print the newspaper in one language, I believe that it should be English. This is fair to everyone. I know Roskilde is a Danish festival, but it is promoted and advertised to people from many different countries. As we have seen in this topic, it's not just UK people who would prefer to read the newspaper in English, but also people from Norway (and Norwegian visitors make up a huge chunk of the festival's population).
So yeah, to sum up, I'd rather see both a Danish and an English newspaper. All I'm saying is that if there can only be one, it should really be English.
Well said.
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Written on: 27.01.2011 12:12
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MLindberg
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It's not that i can't read an English paper, because I can - very well, in fact. However I don't think that English should overrule Danish, when we are in Denmark.
I know that it might not be the best for the forreign guests, but you know what? It's a Danish festival. Danish may never ever be overruled by another language in Denmark. There should be an English paper at Roskilde, though. There must be some volunteers who can translate the Danish paper into English. I would.
Just to clarify - I'm not trying to campaign for English to overrule Danish at a Danish festival. I completely agree that you should have a right to have a Danish version of a newspaper at a festival in your own country. The ideal scenario would of course for there to be both a Danish and an English version as they've done in previous years. My point here is that if they cannot find a way to justify doing this financially and can only print the newspaper in one language, I believe that it should be English. This is fair to everyone. I know Roskilde is a Danish festival, but it is promoted and advertised to people from many different countries. As we have seen in this topic, it's not just UK people who would prefer to read the newspaper in English, but also people from Norway (and Norwegian visitors make up a huge chunk of the festival's population).
So yeah, to sum up, I'd rather see both a Danish and an English newspaper. All I'm saying is that if there can only be one, it should really be English.
You're from England, aren't you?
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Written on: 27.01.2011 13:16
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Desmond
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Just to clarify - I'm not trying to campaign for English to overrule Danish at a Danish festival. I completely agree that you should have a right to have a Danish version of a newspaper at a festival in your own country. The ideal scenario would of course for there to be both a Danish and an English version as they've done in previous years. My point here is that if they cannot find a way to justify doing this financially and can only print the newspaper in one language, I believe that it should be English. This is fair to everyone. I know Roskilde is a Danish festival, but it is promoted and advertised to people from many different countries. As we have seen in this topic, it's not just UK people who would prefer to read the newspaper in English, but also people from Norway (and Norwegian visitors make up a huge chunk of the festival's population).
So yeah, to sum up, I'd rather see both a Danish and an English newspaper. All I'm saying is that if there can only be one, it should really be English.
You're from England, aren't you?
rf is still a festival with foreign visitors. they come from finnland, norway, iceland, sweden,germany, the uk, the netherlands even australia and the united states. all of them
want to share the "orange feeling". so they should have a chance to read and understand the newspaper.
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Written on: 27.01.2011 13:33
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Robbie Fowler is God
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My point was not that i CANT read it, but is that it is harder. There will be some words where you have to stop up and think hmm , that problem will not be there in danish for a dane.
And i want me life to be easy at Roskilde, I can spend my time think at home.
And the poll dont shows shit in here, yeah I vote to, but we are so few users that post regluarery in here, but putting it on facebook might be a idea
So your point is you want it to be easy? What about those who can't read Danish- for them it is impossible.
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Written on: 27.01.2011 13:38
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Robbie Fowler is God
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It's not that i can't read an English paper, because I can - very well, in fact. However I don't think that English should overrule Danish, when we are in Denmark.
I know that it might not be the best for the forreign guests, but you know what? It's a Danish festival. Danish may never ever be overruled by another language in Denmark. There should be an English paper at Roskilde, though. There must be some volunteers who can translate the Danish paper into English. I would.
I really can't agree with this argument. The whole argument is that there can be only one language- which? You want it to be Danish, because the festival is in Denmark knowing that it will exclude people.
There isn't volunteers to translate- that's the whole point.
At the same time, Danish people insist on speaking English with their fellow Scandinavians...
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Written on: 27.01.2011 17:45
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LiamC
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It's not that i can't read an English paper, because I can - very well, in fact. However I don't think that English should overrule Danish, when we are in Denmark.
I know that it might not be the best for the forreign guests, but you know what? It's a Danish festival. Danish may never ever be overruled by another language in Denmark. There should be an English paper at Roskilde, though. There must be some volunteers who can translate the Danish paper into English. I would.
Just to clarify - I'm not trying to campaign for English to overrule Danish at a Danish festival. I completely agree that you should have a right to have a Danish version of a newspaper at a festival in your own country. The ideal scenario would of course for there to be both a Danish and an English version as they've done in previous years. My point here is that if they cannot find a way to justify doing this financially and can only print the newspaper in one language, I believe that it should be English. This is fair to everyone. I know Roskilde is a Danish festival, but it is promoted and advertised to people from many different countries. As we have seen in this topic, it's not just UK people who would prefer to read the newspaper in English, but also people from Norway (and Norwegian visitors make up a huge chunk of the festival's population).
So yeah, to sum up, I'd rather see both a Danish and an English newspaper. All I'm saying is that if there can only be one, it should really be English.
You're from England, aren't you?
Err, yes I am indeed from England, and I never stated otherwise. I'm merely stating that it's not ONLY people from England who would prefer to see the newspaper printed in English, but people from many other Countries too.
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Written on: 27.01.2011 17:54
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Kaneda
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Err, yes I am indeed from England, and I never stated otherwise. I'm merely stating that it's not ONLY people from England who would prefer to see the newspaper printed in English, but people from many other Countries too.
Including Danes *waves hand*.
It's really quite simple (to my eyes). The festival is defined as: "an annual week-long international cultural event offering quality experiences based on modern music and creative kinship." My emphasis, the festival's own definition.
Not a Danish event. An international event. Being international is what made it what it is today. Having an official paper exclusively in Danish with a few hundred lines in English (if that) isn't very international, and it isn't very welcoming to international guests - guests that the festival still prides itself on, even though the number of foreigners has constantly fallen since 2002 to the point where, yeah, it is looking like a "Danish" festival. Sometimes in the worst possible way.
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Written on: 27.01.2011 22:09
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MLindberg
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It's not that i can't read an English paper, because I can - very well, in fact. However I don't think that English should overrule Danish, when we are in Denmark.
I know that it might not be the best for the forreign guests, but you know what? It's a Danish festival. Danish may never ever be overruled by another language in Denmark. There should be an English paper at Roskilde, though. There must be some volunteers who can translate the Danish paper into English. I would.
Just to clarify - I'm not trying to campaign for English to overrule Danish at a Danish festival. I completely agree that you should have a right to have a Danish version of a newspaper at a festival in your own country. The ideal scenario would of course for there to be both a Danish and an English version as they've done in previous years. My point here is that if they cannot find a way to justify doing this financially and can only print the newspaper in one language, I believe that it should be English. This is fair to everyone. I know Roskilde is a Danish festival, but it is promoted and advertised to people from many different countries. As we have seen in this topic, it's not just UK people who would prefer to read the newspaper in English, but also people from Norway (and Norwegian visitors make up a huge chunk of the festival's population).
So yeah, to sum up, I'd rather see both a Danish and an English newspaper. All I'm saying is that if there can only be one, it should really be English.
You're from England, aren't you?
Err, yes I am indeed from England, and I never stated otherwise. I'm merely stating that it's not ONLY people from England who would prefer to see the newspaper printed in English, but people from many other Countries too.
Of course you'd prefer an English paper when you are English. I know that English is one of the most common languages, but as I remember it 80 pct. of the festival visiters in 2010 were Danish. If we can only have one paper, it must be in Danish. Don't get me wrong - we should definately have both a Danish and an English, but but only one paper it must suit the bigger target group.
When that is said, we shouldn't focus on discussing, because obviously we basically all agree, that we need both a Danish and an English paper. In stead we should let the festival know, that there are loads of people, who both can and will make an English paper.
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Written on: 28.01.2011 00:07
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Martin Horn Pedersen
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My point was not that i CANT read it, but is that it is harder. There will be some words where you have to stop up and think hmm , that problem will not be there in danish for a dane.
And i want me life to be easy at Roskilde, I can spend my time think at home.
And the poll dont shows shit in here, yeah I vote to, but we are so few users that post regluarery in here, but putting it on facebook might be a idea
So your point is you want it to be easy? What about those who can't read Danish- for them it is impossible.
So? if it is not easy for me, I will not buy it = 1 less buy from a Dane, and I am sure I am not the only one. Then some English one will buy it yes. I was aguement aginst the that there was say all danes would still buy it, no the wont
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Written on: 28.01.2011 02:10
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Robbie Fowler is God
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It's not that i can't read an English paper, because I can - very well, in fact. However I don't think that English should overrule Danish, when we are in Denmark.
I know that it might not be the best for the forreign guests, but you know what? It's a Danish festival. Danish may never ever be overruled by another language in Denmark. There should be an English paper at Roskilde, though. There must be some volunteers who can translate the Danish paper into English. I would.
Just to clarify - I'm not trying to campaign for English to overrule Danish at a Danish festival. I completely agree that you should have a right to have a Danish version of a newspaper at a festival in your own country. The ideal scenario would of course for there to be both a Danish and an English version as they've done in previous years. My point here is that if they cannot find a way to justify doing this financially and can only print the newspaper in one language, I believe that it should be English. This is fair to everyone. I know Roskilde is a Danish festival, but it is promoted and advertised to people from many different countries. As we have seen in this topic, it's not just UK people who would prefer to read the newspaper in English, but also people from Norway (and Norwegian visitors make up a huge chunk of the festival's population).
So yeah, to sum up, I'd rather see both a Danish and an English newspaper. All I'm saying is that if there can only be one, it should really be English.
You're from England, aren't you?
Err, yes I am indeed from England, and I never stated otherwise. I'm merely stating that it's not ONLY people from England who would prefer to see the newspaper printed in English, but people from many other Countries too.
Of course you'd prefer an English paper when you are English. I know that English is one of the most common languages, but as I remember it 80 pct. of the festival visiters in 2010 were Danish. If we can only have one paper, it must be in Danish. Don't get me wrong - we should definately have both a Danish and an English, but but only one paper it must suit the bigger target group.
When that is said, we shouldn't focus on discussing, because obviously we basically all agree, that we need both a Danish and an English paper. In stead we should let the festival know, that there are loads of people, who both can and will make an English paper.
80% Danish speaking
100% English speaking
I agree with you. The paper must be in English
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Written on: 28.01.2011 02:12
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Robbie Fowler is God
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My point was not that i CANT read it, but is that it is harder. There will be some words where you have to stop up and think hmm , that problem will not be there in danish for a dane.
And i want me life to be easy at Roskilde, I can spend my time think at home.
And the poll dont shows shit in here, yeah I vote to, but we are so few users that post regluarery in here, but putting it on facebook might be a idea
So your point is you want it to be easy? What about those who can't read Danish- for them it is impossible.
So? if it is not easy for me, I will not buy it = 1 less buy from a Dane, and I am sure I am not the only one. Then some English one will buy it yes. I was aguement aginst the that there was say all danes would still buy it, no the wont
Sorry but you simply come across as being selfish. I'll leave it at that.
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Written on: 28.01.2011 14:41
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Amaling
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I really can't agree with this argument. The whole argument is that there can be only one language- which? You want it to be Danish, because the festival is in Denmark knowing that it will exclude people.
There isn't volunteers to translate- that's the whole point.
At the same time, Danish people insist on speaking English with their fellow Scandinavians...
Hahaha I know! 
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Written on: 07.04.2011 22:02
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LiamC
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Time for this to come back again, since they have failed to see sense so far...
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Written on: 13.05.2011 10:25
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Kolja
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Time for this to come back again, since they have failed to see sense so far...
Any news on this topic? It's time it got mentioned again!
How is the nationality distribution managed anyways? I'm a foriegner living in denmark an buying tickets for non danish friends here in denmark, are we counted as danes? I'm afraid so. Do they read danish? NO!
As for a lot of other scandinavians (due to the financial hiccup), it was cheaper to buy tickets in denmark compared to the other currencies, and they were counted as danes as well? I guess so ... .
And I thing it is almost unnecessary to point out that all danish roskilde guests do read and speak danish.
Why not the the newspaper people? Nobody gets a bloody nose for writing a not perfect style in orange press. As everybody says, it is read in the morning, nobody (sitting there with their first beer (or drink of choice) of the morning) will get their red markers out and start correcting language, spelling, etc.
Give it a chance, just to quote the forum subheadline:
In order for everyone to understand your posts, you are encouraged to write in English.
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