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Written on: 15.06.2010 10:56
Lord Beef Jerky
Posts: 1507
And like I said... I somewhat agree with you, but I feel it's a shame that Roskilde (IMO) is shifting it's target audience, because as I see it, it isn't no long a festival for everyone. Sorry about the negativity, as I'm usually not rude in any manner, and no matter what I write here, and what it sounds like, I'm really looking forward to Roskilde this year, as I do every year.
Written on: 15.06.2010 11:04
Dunkesen
Posts: 205
Lord Beef Jerky wrote:

Jim Daggerthuggert wrote:

Lord Beef Jerky wrote:

MLindberg wrote:

Lord Beef Jerky wrote:

MLindberg wrote:

Seriously, I can't see the big problem in those luxury camp spots. If you don't like them, don't use them. It's that simple? You don't have to take a shower, if you don't like that either?
They are just trying to pull those people, who aren't fond of being filthy and living in mud a whole week, to the festival, and nothing is wrong with that?


Well, it's quite simple, isn't it? With luxury camp spots coming in and no beverages at the festival amongst other pricey rules ruling students and other "poor" people out, Roskilde is shifting it's target audience thus changing pretty much everything. If it was up to me, I'd drop the silly new rules, and still have the luxury camp spots, making it a festival for everyone... rich and comfy with cold beer and drinks as well as poor and uncomfortable with their own warm beer. Personally I'm somewhere in between, but have never brought any drinks to the festival... doesn't mean I don't think other people shouldn't be able to. I want a festival for everyone, not just financially set people.


I'm quite sure you are misunderstanding what I've written. I'm not trying to defend the no beverages-rule at all. In fact I didn't even mention it. I don't like that rule either. Basically I think we've got the same opinion when it comes to the luxury area.


I think it's far more likely that you misunderstood me. The problem with luxury camping is the shift in Roskildes target audience, and all this is connected with Roskildes other rules such as the beverage issue. There's a bigger interest in bringing in the settled and rich people to Roskilde while Roskildes previous main focus (a unique festival, a festival for everybody) has been forgotten.


Okay, this ends here. Enough is enough! This is not a sign that Roskilde is shifting it's target audience. The are just making it possible for everyone to enjoy Roskilde. When I was 15, I didn't care that I had to sleep two persons in a one person tent, that I had to eat luke warm canned food, drink very warm discount beer and so on. Now I'm in my 30th's and now I will not do such things.

It's not a question of money, it's a question of comfort. I cannot party a whole week with out sleep, baths and decent food. Not anymore. I'm still sleeping in the "normal" camp area, but in my own tent. In af few years I might have to choose not to go to Roskilde, because I'm to "old" to enjoy the whole very down to earth basic Roskilde, I enjoyed when I was 15.

This camping option and others, makes it possible for people to keep comming back, and beeing at Roskilde for the whole 8 days. Nothing wrong with that. If I was 15 I would do the classic Roskilde all ower again, not caring about how anyone else does it. This option is not discrimination or anything like that, it's the opposite.


And about the beverage insident, well I can see both sides of it. Ofcourse you should be able to bring a beer or two with you, on the other hand, with the possiblity to bring 1½ liters of vodka people could and probably would take advanges of this.

And Roskilde needs to have some funds, if the EU get it's ways and remove the tax-free income for Roskilde. All of the money Roskilde earns on the festival, has to go to different causes. So they can't make a profit on anything, but the drinks sales. If they don't have the option to make a profit, they might not be able to make Roskilde in a few years, due to the fucking EU.

Please, stop this bad karma dissucion. Let us have a festival as we want it, not how one group think it should be. Let there be classic festival for those who want that and let there be luxury for those who want that. Roskilde for all!


I'm pretty sure the discussion won't stop here, just because you say so. And thank you for sharing your personal story, but as you know, everybody's different, and just because you had the money in your age of 15 to enjoy yourself, doesn't mean everybody else does. I started when I was 15 as well, and as I've said previous, I've never brought a beverage to the festival site itself, I do however know quite a few that did, because they quite simply couldn't afford buying beverages. This new rule doesn't make money magically appear in their pockets, all it does is shutting out this group of people, and if that's not a shift in target audience combined with other new rules as well as this one, what the hell is?

And who the hell are you to try and enforce your opinion on others? I'm not having a bad karma discussion of any sort, just trying to calmly explain that with these new rules Roskilde will not be as it's been so far in the future. They've shifted target audience before from the 90s till today, where their focus on underground rock has been put away for more mainstream radio stuff as well as electronic music of all sorts. I am aware that this stuff always has been there, but back when I started, it was a completely different group of people on the camping ground compared to today. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, not at all, that's just been your own subjective idea of what I'm saying, I'm only saying that it is different. Roskilde is doing this again, this time with more rules, more focus on getting a higher income by excluding a group with lower income, and now by offering luxury camping spots. This is so far however (combined) one of the worst decisions if not the worst decision in my 16 years of Roskilde. This is subjective, but at the very least let me be entitled to by opinion, as I'm letting you be entitled to yours, without telling me to "end it here". I will have a great Roskilde, as always, but I will NOT shut up and stop expressing my opinion, just because you or whomever says so. Now, let's go back to having a more civilized discussion, or else just stop reading what I'm writing if it affects you in such a negative way.


In what way was the audience different in the 90's? Is'nt it perhaps just the lifestyle and appereance of young Scandinavians with an above average interest in music that have changed? Sorry if it's off topic, I'm just being curious... icon_smile.gif
Written on: 15.06.2010 11:41
Lord Beef Jerky
Posts: 1507
Dunkesen wrote:

Lord Beef Jerky wrote:

Jim Daggerthuggert wrote:

Lord Beef Jerky wrote:

MLindberg wrote:

Lord Beef Jerky wrote:

MLindberg wrote:

Seriously, I can't see the big problem in those luxury camp spots. If you don't like them, don't use them. It's that simple? You don't have to take a shower, if you don't like that either?
They are just trying to pull those people, who aren't fond of being filthy and living in mud a whole week, to the festival, and nothing is wrong with that?


Well, it's quite simple, isn't it? With luxury camp spots coming in and no beverages at the festival amongst other pricey rules ruling students and other "poor" people out, Roskilde is shifting it's target audience thus changing pretty much everything. If it was up to me, I'd drop the silly new rules, and still have the luxury camp spots, making it a festival for everyone... rich and comfy with cold beer and drinks as well as poor and uncomfortable with their own warm beer. Personally I'm somewhere in between, but have never brought any drinks to the festival... doesn't mean I don't think other people shouldn't be able to. I want a festival for everyone, not just financially set people.


I'm quite sure you are misunderstanding what I've written. I'm not trying to defend the no beverages-rule at all. In fact I didn't even mention it. I don't like that rule either. Basically I think we've got the same opinion when it comes to the luxury area.


I think it's far more likely that you misunderstood me. The problem with luxury camping is the shift in Roskildes target audience, and all this is connected with Roskildes other rules such as the beverage issue. There's a bigger interest in bringing in the settled and rich people to Roskilde while Roskildes previous main focus (a unique festival, a festival for everybody) has been forgotten.


Okay, this ends here. Enough is enough! This is not a sign that Roskilde is shifting it's target audience. The are just making it possible for everyone to enjoy Roskilde. When I was 15, I didn't care that I had to sleep two persons in a one person tent, that I had to eat luke warm canned food, drink very warm discount beer and so on. Now I'm in my 30th's and now I will not do such things.

It's not a question of money, it's a question of comfort. I cannot party a whole week with out sleep, baths and decent food. Not anymore. I'm still sleeping in the "normal" camp area, but in my own tent. In af few years I might have to choose not to go to Roskilde, because I'm to "old" to enjoy the whole very down to earth basic Roskilde, I enjoyed when I was 15.

This camping option and others, makes it possible for people to keep comming back, and beeing at Roskilde for the whole 8 days. Nothing wrong with that. If I was 15 I would do the classic Roskilde all ower again, not caring about how anyone else does it. This option is not discrimination or anything like that, it's the opposite.


And about the beverage insident, well I can see both sides of it. Ofcourse you should be able to bring a beer or two with you, on the other hand, with the possiblity to bring 1½ liters of vodka people could and probably would take advanges of this.

And Roskilde needs to have some funds, if the EU get it's ways and remove the tax-free income for Roskilde. All of the money Roskilde earns on the festival, has to go to different causes. So they can't make a profit on anything, but the drinks sales. If they don't have the option to make a profit, they might not be able to make Roskilde in a few years, due to the fucking EU.

Please, stop this bad karma dissucion. Let us have a festival as we want it, not how one group think it should be. Let there be classic festival for those who want that and let there be luxury for those who want that. Roskilde for all!


I'm pretty sure the discussion won't stop here, just because you say so. And thank you for sharing your personal story, but as you know, everybody's different, and just because you had the money in your age of 15 to enjoy yourself, doesn't mean everybody else does. I started when I was 15 as well, and as I've said previous, I've never brought a beverage to the festival site itself, I do however know quite a few that did, because they quite simply couldn't afford buying beverages. This new rule doesn't make money magically appear in their pockets, all it does is shutting out this group of people, and if that's not a shift in target audience combined with other new rules as well as this one, what the hell is?

And who the hell are you to try and enforce your opinion on others? I'm not having a bad karma discussion of any sort, just trying to calmly explain that with these new rules Roskilde will not be as it's been so far in the future. They've shifted target audience before from the 90s till today, where their focus on underground rock has been put away for more mainstream radio stuff as well as electronic music of all sorts. I am aware that this stuff always has been there, but back when I started, it was a completely different group of people on the camping ground compared to today. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, not at all, that's just been your own subjective idea of what I'm saying, I'm only saying that it is different. Roskilde is doing this again, this time with more rules, more focus on getting a higher income by excluding a group with lower income, and now by offering luxury camping spots. This is so far however (combined) one of the worst decisions if not the worst decision in my 16 years of Roskilde. This is subjective, but at the very least let me be entitled to by opinion, as I'm letting you be entitled to yours, without telling me to "end it here". I will have a great Roskilde, as always, but I will NOT shut up and stop expressing my opinion, just because you or whomever says so. Now, let's go back to having a more civilized discussion, or else just stop reading what I'm writing if it affects you in such a negative way.


In what way was the audience different in the 90's? Is'nt it perhaps just the lifestyle and appereance of young Scandinavians with an above average interest in music that have changed? Sorry if it's off topic, I'm just being curious... icon_smile.gif


I'm not saying that it couldn't be, but it seemed more like an underdog crowd back then. The minority groups and politically left winged people was far more the majority back then, than it is now. More metal heads, more rock kids and generally just more... well, let's call them liberated people. Today's audience is far more mixed, where a walk through the camping grounds will prove that there's everything from high class society preppy kids to old hippies. Again, not saying that it's a bad thing, I for one am all for diversity, I just hope the festival is too.


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